Discussion:
A “Greatest” List That’s Not All That Bad
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Bill Anderson
2023-12-23 05:38:03 UTC
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Yes, there are a few Eye rollers, but all in all this is a pretty good
list.

https://www.heraldweekly.com/the-top-100-movies-in-the-history-of-film-part2/35?xcmg=1&_d=m
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Bill Anderson

I am the Mighty Favog
Your Name
2023-12-23 07:01:54 UTC
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Post by Bill Anderson
Yes, there are a few Eye rollers, but all in all this is a pretty good
list.
https://www.heraldweekly.com/the-top-100-movies-in-the-history-of-film-part2/35?xcmg=1&_d=m
As usual, mostly dismal garbage not even remotely worth bothering to
watch ... Charlie Chaplin's "The Great Dictator" is even listed twice!
moviePig
2023-12-23 17:02:25 UTC
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Post by Bill Anderson
Yes, there are a few Eye rollers, but all in all this is a pretty good
list.
https://www.heraldweekly.com/the-top-100-movies-in-the-history-of-film-part2/35?xcmg=1&_d=m
Biggest personal disagreement: INCEPTION

Biggest surprise that somebody thought to include it: UNDER THE SKIN

(Yes, it's a good list, fun to breeze through.)
Bill Anderson
2023-12-23 19:50:54 UTC
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Post by Bill Anderson
Yes, there are a few Eye rollers, but all in all this is a pretty good
list.
https://www.heraldweekly.com/the-top-100-movies-in-the-history-of-film-part2/35?xcmg=1&_d=m
Biggest personal disagreement: INCEPTION
Biggest surprise that somebody thought to include it: UNDER THE SKIN
(Yes, it's a good list, fun to breeze through.)
The list is full of absolutely spot on yes of course totally agree superb
great movies. And then there are the weird ones. What are they doing there?
Maybe I should have a look at some of them? Maybe I missed something?
--
Bill Anderson

I am the Mighty Favog
moviePig
2023-12-23 20:45:03 UTC
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Post by Bill Anderson
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Post by Bill Anderson
Yes, there are a few Eye rollers, but all in all this is a pretty good
list.
https://www.heraldweekly.com/the-top-100-movies-in-the-history-of-film-part2/35?xcmg=1&_d=m
Biggest personal disagreement: INCEPTION
Biggest surprise that somebody thought to include it: UNDER THE SKIN
(Yes, it's a good list, fun to breeze through.)
The list is full of absolutely spot on yes of course totally agree superb
great movies. And then there are the weird ones. What are they doing there?
Maybe I should have a look at some of them? Maybe I missed something?
I don't recall any like that. (Well, I'm not sure I've ever watched
SUNRISE end-to-end, usually opting to scratch that itch with NOSFERATU.)
But, yes, certainly I'd check out any unseen talkies.
Bill Anderson
2023-12-30 21:44:26 UTC
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Post by Bill Anderson
Post by moviePig
Post by Bill Anderson
Yes, there are a few Eye rollers, but all in all this is a pretty good
list.
https://www.heraldweekly.com/the-top-100-movies-in-the-history-of-film-part2/35?xcmg=1&_d=m
Biggest personal disagreement: INCEPTION
Biggest surprise that somebody thought to include it: UNDER THE SKIN
(Yes, it's a good list, fun to breeze through.)
The list is full of absolutely spot on yes of course totally agree superb
great movies. And then there are the weird ones. What are they doing there?
Maybe I should have a look at some of them? Maybe I missed something?
I don't recall any like that.  (Well, I'm not sure I've ever watched
SUNRISE end-to-end, usually opting to scratch that itch with NOSFERATU.)
 But, yes, certainly I'd check out any unseen talkies.
Since you appeared to ask:

Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse is a cartoon, a good one in fact, but
it doesn't belong on a list with Lawrence of Arabia.

The Shawshank Redemption is adored by millions, but not me. I'll admit I
will always allow myself to enjoy the last 20 minutes or so, but still
that doesn't make it a great movie.

Star Wars: Episode V- The Empire Strikes Back: It's good, but the first
movie was the brilliant one. So why isn't the first movie on the list?

Inside Out: Another cartoon, and a rather obscure one. I predict it'll
soon be forgotten.

Whiplash: Not on my radar.

Alien and Aliens: Excellent sci-fi but not "great" films.

12 Years a Slave: Haven't seen it but seems too recent to be on a list
like this.

Spotlight: good but too recent.

Playtime: not on my radar

LA Confidential: Didn't click with me.

Inception: Great movie? C'mon.

Coco and Wall-E: Nice cartoons but not great.

Under the Skin: loved it, but but does it belong in the canon of great
movies? C'mon.

The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers: Should be lumped with the others
which makes me wonder where the rest of this 100 movie list is.

I agree almost unreservedly with putting all the other films on this
list, but there must be more to it somewhere. Love it or loathe it, GWTW
belongs on a list of great movies and so do plenty more that don't show
up here. At least it's clear the author has eclectic taste and a broad
appreciation of the good stuff.
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Bill Anderson

I am the Mighty Favog
moviePig
2023-12-30 23:19:56 UTC
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Post by Bill Anderson
Post by moviePig
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Post by Bill Anderson
Yes, there are a few Eye rollers, but all in all this is a
pretty good list.
https://www.heraldweekly.com/the-top-100-movies-in-the-history-of-film-part2/35?xcmg=1&_d=m
Biggest personal disagreement: INCEPTION
Post by Bill Anderson
Post by moviePig
Post by Bill Anderson
Post by moviePig
Biggest surprise that somebody thought to include it: UNDER THE SKIN
(Yes, it's a good list, fun to breeze through.)
The list is full of absolutely spot on yes of course totally
agree superb great movies. And then there are the weird ones.
What are they doing there? Maybe I should have a look at some of
them? Maybe I missed something?
I don't recall any like that. (Well, I'm not sure I've ever
watched SUNRISE end-to-end, usually opting to scratch that itch
with NOSFERATU.) But, yes, certainly I'd check out any unseen
talkies.
Actually, I confess that I read your post too quickly, and somehow
inferred you were talking about movies you hadn't seen (which I thought
odd). I see now that 'weird' meant 'imposturing'...
Post by Bill Anderson
Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse is a cartoon, a good one in fact,
but it doesn't belong on a list with Lawrence of Arabia.
You turned me off to this one. (Easily done for a cartoon.)
Post by Bill Anderson
The Shawshank Redemption is adored by millions, but not me. I'll
admit I will always allow myself to enjoy the last 20 minutes or so,
but still that doesn't make it a great movie.
Every time SHAWSHANK gets praised, I feel a twinge of smug superiority.
The worst kind of "crowd-pleaser".
Post by Bill Anderson
Star Wars: Episode V- The Empire Strikes Back: It's good, but the
first movie was the brilliant one. So why isn't the first movie on
the list?
Because nobody appreciates that the first one was satire. Maybe not
even George himself.
Post by Bill Anderson
Inside Out: Another cartoon, and a rather obscure one. I predict
it'll soon be forgotten.
Not by me, anyway, as it's a cartoon.
Post by Bill Anderson
Whiplash: Not on my radar.
Defensible as brilliant, though its brilliance is what's to enjoy.
Iirc, it made J.K. Simmons even more insufferable.
Post by Bill Anderson
Alien and Aliens: Excellent sci-fi but not "great" films.
I enjoyed both of these (dissimilar) films far too much to begrudge them
any superlatives.
Post by Bill Anderson
12 Years a Slave: Haven't seen it but seems too recent to be on a
list like this.
Political correctness, afaics. More "important" than good.
Post by Bill Anderson
Spotlight: good but too recent.
P.C. again, whack-a-priest division. And I take "too recent" to mean
"unlikely to be watched a second time". > Playtime: not on my radar
I think I've seen it. Probably really funny in its original run.
Post by Bill Anderson
LA Confidential: Didn't click with me.
I remember the excitement, but from a distance.
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Inception: Great movie? C'mon.
Built on a gimmick, a half-hour one.
Post by Bill Anderson
Coco and Wall-E: Nice cartoons but not great.
Tautology. (Well, not really, as I loved IRON GIANT.)
Post by Bill Anderson
Under the Skin: loved it, but but does it belong in the canon of
great movies? C'mon.
It's hard to turn hard sci-fi into a good movie. This one tried.
Post by Bill Anderson
The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers: Should be lumped with the
others which makes me wonder where the rest of this 100 movie list
is.
The first one bowled over a skeptical, demanding audience. 'Nuff said.
Post by Bill Anderson
I agree almost unreservedly with putting all the other films on this
list, but there must be more to it somewhere. Love it or loathe it,
GWTW belongs on a list of great movies and so do plenty more that
don't show up here. At least it's clear the author has eclectic taste
and a broad appreciation of the good stuff.
I'll choose to imagine the author compiled a first draft of Really Good
Movies, and then let his beer buddies make "just a couple adjustments".
Your Name
2023-12-30 23:36:38 UTC
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On 2023-12-30 21:44:26 +0000, Bill Anderson said:
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Post by Bill Anderson
Star Wars: Episode V- The Empire Strikes Back: It's good, but the first
movie was the brilliant one. So why isn't the first movie on the list?
"Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back" is considered to be
the best movie in the Saga by most people, including the majority of
Star Wars fans.

"Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope" (aka the original "Star Wars"
movie) is often second in the lists, but not always.

Although the original movie was ground-breaking in many ways and
attention-grabbing, it is rather slow (the Vader Obi-Wan lightsabre
battle for example). The Episode V movie has more pace, more story, and
more action. A lot of people put it down to George Lucas not being a
good director, or at least not a good explainer of what he wants (he's
also often not considered a great writer - some of the lines in the
Saga movies are attrocious).

Mack A. Damia
2023-12-24 01:15:51 UTC
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On Sat, 23 Dec 2023 19:50:54 +0000, Bill Anderson
Post by Bill Anderson
Post by moviePig
Post by Bill Anderson
Yes, there are a few Eye rollers, but all in all this is a pretty good
list.
https://www.heraldweekly.com/the-top-100-movies-in-the-history-of-film-part2/35?xcmg=1&_d=m
Biggest personal disagreement: INCEPTION
Biggest surprise that somebody thought to include it: UNDER THE SKIN
(Yes, it's a good list, fun to breeze through.)
The list is full of absolutely spot on yes of course totally agree superb
great movies. And then there are the weird ones. What are they doing there?
Maybe I should have a look at some of them? Maybe I missed something?
"12 Angry Men"

The one guy I don't like in that movie is Lee J. Cobb. Not certain
why, maybe his acting is a little too phony, too much of an
affectation.

But look at the photo in the article. There are only eleven men
pictured and he is not included.
Adam H. Kerman
2023-12-24 01:30:32 UTC
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. . .
"12 Angry Men"
The one guy I don't like in that movie is Lee J. Cobb. Not certain
why, maybe his acting is a little too phony, too much of an
affectation.
He and Biff weren't on speaking terms.
Post by Mack A. Damia
But look at the photo in the article. There are only eleven men
pictured and he is not included.
There's a bit of suspension of disbelief for Jack Klugman as the teenage
(now adult) gang banger.
Mack A. Damia
2023-12-24 04:21:53 UTC
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On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 01:30:32 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
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Post by Mack A. Damia
. . .
"12 Angry Men"
The one guy I don't like in that movie is Lee J. Cobb. Not certain
why, maybe his acting is a little too phony, too much of an
affectation.
He and Biff weren't on speaking terms.
Is it common knowledge who "Biff" is?
Adam H. Kerman
2023-12-24 05:42:47 UTC
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. . .
"12 Angry Men"
The one guy I don't like in that movie is Lee J. Cobb. Not certain
why, maybe his acting is a little too phony, too much of an
affectation.
He and Biff weren't on speaking terms.
Is it common knowledge who "Biff" is?
Sigh
Mack A. Damia
2023-12-24 15:03:48 UTC
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On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 05:42:47 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
Post by Mack A. Damia
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by Mack A. Damia
. . .
"12 Angry Men"
The one guy I don't like in that movie is Lee J. Cobb. Not certain
why, maybe his acting is a little too phony, too much of an
affectation.
He and Biff weren't on speaking terms.
Is it common knowledge who "Biff" is?
Sigh
Just answer the question, fool.
Bill Anderson
2023-12-24 20:02:41 UTC
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Post by Mack A. Damia
On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 05:42:47 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
Post by Mack A. Damia
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by Mack A. Damia
. . .
"12 Angry Men"
The one guy I don't like in that movie is Lee J. Cobb. Not certain
why, maybe his acting is a little too phony, too much of an
affectation.
He and Biff weren't on speaking terms.
Is it common knowledge who "Biff" is?
Sigh
Just answer the question, fool.
Lee J. Cobb is noted for playing Willy Loman in Arthur Miller‘s Death of a
Salesman. Willy’s oldest son, with whom he did not see eye to eye, was
named Biff.

I actually remembered the name, but I would not consider it “common
knowledge.” Biff in Back to the Future might qualify, especially here in a
movie discussion group, but answering the question rather than showing off
would have been a more reasonable response I think. Merry Christmas.
--
Bill Anderson

I am the Mighty Favog
Mack A. Damia
2023-12-24 20:53:13 UTC
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On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 20:02:41 +0000, Bill Anderson
Post by Mack A. Damia
On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 05:42:47 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
Post by Mack A. Damia
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by Mack A. Damia
. . .
"12 Angry Men"
The one guy I don't like in that movie is Lee J. Cobb. Not certain
why, maybe his acting is a little too phony, too much of an
affectation.
He and Biff weren't on speaking terms.
Is it common knowledge who "Biff" is?
Sigh
Just answer the question, fool.
Lee J. Cobb is noted for playing Willy Loman in Arthur Miller‘s Death of a
Salesman. Willy’s oldest son, with whom he did not see eye to eye, was
named Biff.
I actually remembered the name, but I would not consider it “common
knowledge.” Biff in Back to the Future might qualify, especially here in a
movie discussion group, but answering the question rather than showing off
would have been a more reasonable response I think. Merry Christmas.
Thanks for that. I did come across "Death of a Salesman" associated
with Lee J. Cobb, but "Biff" wasn't mentioned.

Here is my Christmas gift to you:


Bill Anderson
2023-12-24 21:57:48 UTC
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Post by Mack A. Damia
On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 20:02:41 +0000, Bill Anderson
Post by Mack A. Damia
On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 05:42:47 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
Post by Mack A. Damia
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by Mack A. Damia
. . .
"12 Angry Men"
The one guy I don't like in that movie is Lee J. Cobb. Not certain
why, maybe his acting is a little too phony, too much of an
affectation.
He and Biff weren't on speaking terms.
Is it common knowledge who "Biff" is?
Sigh
Just answer the question, fool.
Lee J. Cobb is noted for playing Willy Loman in Arthur Miller‘s Death of a
Salesman. Willy’s oldest son, with whom he did not see eye to eye, was
named Biff.
I actually remembered the name, but I would not consider it “common
knowledge.” Biff in Back to the Future might qualify, especially here in a
movie discussion group, but answering the question rather than showing off
would have been a more reasonable response I think. Merry Christmas.
Thanks for that. I did come across "Death of a Salesman" associated
with Lee J. Cobb, but "Biff" wasn't mentioned.
http://youtu.be/eEYKlV0vkIs
Thanks. It’s a great story, isn’t it? I remember struggling to understand
as a child in lower elementary school when our teacher read us the story. I
knew what a comb was, but why would anyone want to leave one in their hair?
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Bill Anderson

I am the Mighty Favog
Your Name
2023-12-24 21:28:46 UTC
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Post by Mack A. Damia
On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 05:42:47 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
Post by Mack A. Damia
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by Mack A. Damia
. . .
"12 Angry Men"
The one guy I don't like in that movie is Lee J. Cobb. Not certain
why, maybe his acting is a little too phony, too much of an
affectation.
He and Biff weren't on speaking terms.
Is it common knowledge who "Biff" is?
Sigh
Just answer the question, fool.
Lee J. Cobb is noted for playing Willy Loman in Arthur Miller‘s Death of a
Salesman. Willy’s oldest son, with whom he did not see eye to eye, was
named Biff.
I actually remembered the name, but I would not consider it “common
knowledge.” Biff in Back to the Future might qualify, especially here in a
movie discussion group, but answering the question rather than showing off
would have been a more reasonable response I think. Merry Christmas.
According to Bob Gale (one of the creators of "Back to the Future"),
the character of Biff Tannen was partly based on / inspired by Donald
Trump ... a brainless bully with delusions of grandeur and an
over-bloated ego ... it certainly does fit.
Adam H. Kerman
2023-12-25 00:33:31 UTC
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. . .
"12 Angry Men"
The one guy I don't like in that movie is Lee J. Cobb. Not certain
why, maybe his acting is a little too phony, too much of an
affectation.
He and Biff weren't on speaking terms.
Is it common knowledge who "Biff" is?
Sigh
Just answer the question, fool.
Lee J. Cobb is noted for playing Willy Loman in Arthur Miller's Death of a
Salesman. Willy's oldest son, with whom he did not see eye to eye, was
named Biff.
I actually remembered the name, but I would not consider it "common
knowledge." Biff in Back to the Future might qualify, especially here in a
movie discussion group, but answering the question rather than showing off
would have been a more reasonable response I think. Merry Christmas.
I certainly wasn't "showing off". And in this newsgroup, in which there
are discussions of old movies, yes, I was expecting it to be common
knowledge. As the joke fell flat, I wasn't in the mood to explain the
reference, but I really expected I'd need to. Nor did I expect to be the
target of Mack's foul mood.

Death of a Salesman is one of the most successful and most famous plays
ever written for the American stage. Lee J. Cobb was the original Willy
Loman on Broadway. He played the part again in the 1966 adaptation for
tv. This is the part that Lee J. Cobb is most famous for.

While Cobb was not in the 1954 teleplay "12 Angry Men", he played #3 in
the 1955 adaptation for Broadway and the 1957 adaptation for film.

I'm sure casting him in 1955 was well worth the money and both the
Broadway audience and movie audience would have understand why he was
cast.
Mack A. Damia
2023-12-25 11:05:38 UTC
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On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 00:33:31 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
Post by Adam H. Kerman
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Post by Mack A. Damia
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by Mack A. Damia
. . .
"12 Angry Men"
The one guy I don't like in that movie is Lee J. Cobb. Not certain
why, maybe his acting is a little too phony, too much of an
affectation.
He and Biff weren't on speaking terms.
Is it common knowledge who "Biff" is?
Sigh
Just answer the question, fool.
Lee J. Cobb is noted for playing Willy Loman in Arthur Miller's Death of a
Salesman. Willy's oldest son, with whom he did not see eye to eye, was
named Biff.
I actually remembered the name, but I would not consider it "common
knowledge." Biff in Back to the Future might qualify, especially here in a
movie discussion group, but answering the question rather than showing off
would have been a more reasonable response I think. Merry Christmas.
I certainly wasn't "showing off". And in this newsgroup, in which there
are discussions of old movies, yes, I was expecting it to be common
knowledge. As the joke fell flat, I wasn't in the mood to explain the
reference, but I really expected I'd need to. Nor did I expect to be the
target of Mack's foul mood.
If it was a "foul mood", it was in response to your foul reply to a
simple and reasonable question.

I highly doubt that it is "common knowledge".
Mack A. Damia
2023-12-25 14:00:10 UTC
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On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 03:05:38 -0800, Mack A. Damia
Post by Mack A. Damia
On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 00:33:31 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
Post by Adam H. Kerman
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. . .
"12 Angry Men"
The one guy I don't like in that movie is Lee J. Cobb. Not certain
why, maybe his acting is a little too phony, too much of an
affectation.
He and Biff weren't on speaking terms.
Is it common knowledge who "Biff" is?
Sigh
Just answer the question, fool.
Lee J. Cobb is noted for playing Willy Loman in Arthur Miller's Death of a
Salesman. Willy's oldest son, with whom he did not see eye to eye, was
named Biff.
I actually remembered the name, but I would not consider it "common
knowledge." Biff in Back to the Future might qualify, especially here in a
movie discussion group, but answering the question rather than showing off
would have been a more reasonable response I think. Merry Christmas.
I certainly wasn't "showing off". And in this newsgroup, in which there
are discussions of old movies, yes, I was expecting it to be common
knowledge. As the joke fell flat, I wasn't in the mood to explain the
reference, but I really expected I'd need to. Nor did I expect to be the
target of Mack's foul mood.
If it was a "foul mood", it was in response to your foul reply to a
simple and reasonable question.
"condescending" is the word I was trying to think of to describe your
response.
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I highly doubt that it is "common knowledge".
Adam H. Kerman
2023-12-25 20:27:38 UTC
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. . .
"12 Angry Men"
The one guy I don't like in that movie is Lee J. Cobb. Not certain
why, maybe his acting is a little too phony, too much of an
affectation.
He and Biff weren't on speaking terms.
Is it common knowledge who "Biff" is?
Sigh
Just answer the question, fool.
Lee J. Cobb is noted for playing Willy Loman in Arthur Miller's Death of a
Salesman. Willy's oldest son, with whom he did not see eye to eye, was
named Biff.
I actually remembered the name, but I would not consider it "common
knowledge." Biff in Back to the Future might qualify, especially here in a
movie discussion group, but answering the question rather than showing off
would have been a more reasonable response I think. Merry Christmas.
I certainly wasn't "showing off". And in this newsgroup, in which there
are discussions of old movies, yes, I was expecting it to be common
knowledge. As the joke fell flat, I wasn't in the mood to explain the
reference, but I really expected I'd need to. Nor did I expect to be the
target of Mack's foul mood.
If it was a "foul mood", it was in response to your foul reply to a
simple and reasonable question.
"condescending" is the word I was trying to think of to describe your
response.
And you're not in a foul mood, unable to let this go.

I was irritated that the joke fell flat. Surely "Sigh" conveyed that.

Is there any chance you'll drop this now, or does it require still
another followup to yourself and further denial of your foul mood?

Next time I make a reference, if you don't get it, who the fuck cares?
It's unimportant.
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I highly doubt that it is "common knowledge".
Bill Anderson
2023-12-25 21:57:43 UTC
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. . .
"12 Angry Men"
The one guy I don't like in that movie is Lee J. Cobb. Not certain
why, maybe his acting is a little too phony, too much of an
affectation.
He and Biff weren't on speaking terms.
Is it common knowledge who "Biff" is?
Sigh
Just answer the question, fool.
Lee J. Cobb is noted for playing Willy Loman in Arthur Miller's Death of a
Salesman. Willy's oldest son, with whom he did not see eye to eye, was
named Biff.
I actually remembered the name, but I would not consider it "common
knowledge." Biff in Back to the Future might qualify, especially here in a
movie discussion group, but answering the question rather than showing off
would have been a more reasonable response I think. Merry Christmas.
I certainly wasn't "showing off". And in this newsgroup, in which there
are discussions of old movies, yes, I was expecting it to be common
knowledge. As the joke fell flat, I wasn't in the mood to explain the
reference, but I really expected I'd need to. Nor did I expect to be the
target of Mack's foul mood.
If it was a "foul mood", it was in response to your foul reply to a
simple and reasonable question.
"condescending" is the word I was trying to think of to describe your
response.
And you're not in a foul mood, unable to let this go.
I was irritated that the joke fell flat. Surely "Sigh" conveyed that.
Is there any chance you'll drop this now, or does it require still
another followup to yourself and further denial of your foul mood?
Next time I make a reference, if you don't get it, who the fuck cares?
It's unimportant.
Post by Mack A. Damia
Post by Mack A. Damia
I highly doubt that it is "common knowledge".
It’s Christmas Day and I am feeling benevolent so I will try to help you
both if I can. I know how these Internet spats go, but ‘tis the season and
all, so let’s see.

Adam made an erudite joke about Lee J Cobb. Mack didn’t get it and said so.
Adam responded with a sigh.

Mack interpreted the sigh as, “you are an idiot for not understanding.“
Just for the record, that’s how I interpreted the sigh too.

But now it appears Adam intended the sigh as a signal of disappointment
that people didn’t understand his joke. No condescension; just regret.

Sounds like a minor misunderstanding to me. Amusing, even. Happy holidays
and peace on earth.
--
Bill Anderson

I am the Mighty Favog
Mack A. Damia
2023-12-26 00:57:45 UTC
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Post by Adam H. Kerman
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. . .
"12 Angry Men"
The one guy I don't like in that movie is Lee J. Cobb. Not certain
why, maybe his acting is a little too phony, too much of an
affectation.
He and Biff weren't on speaking terms.
Is it common knowledge who "Biff" is?
Sigh
Just answer the question, fool.
Lee J. Cobb is noted for playing Willy Loman in Arthur Miller's Death of a
Salesman. Willy's oldest son, with whom he did not see eye to eye, was
named Biff.
I actually remembered the name, but I would not consider it "common
knowledge." Biff in Back to the Future might qualify, especially here in a
movie discussion group, but answering the question rather than showing off
would have been a more reasonable response I think. Merry Christmas.
I certainly wasn't "showing off". And in this newsgroup, in which there
are discussions of old movies, yes, I was expecting it to be common
knowledge. As the joke fell flat, I wasn't in the mood to explain the
reference, but I really expected I'd need to. Nor did I expect to be the
target of Mack's foul mood.
If it was a "foul mood", it was in response to your foul reply to a
simple and reasonable question.
"condescending" is the word I was trying to think of to describe your
response.
And you're not in a foul mood, unable to let this go.
I was irritated that the joke fell flat. Surely "Sigh" conveyed that.
Is there any chance you'll drop this now, or does it require still
another followup to yourself and further denial of your foul mood?
Next time I make a reference, if you don't get it, who the fuck cares?
It's unimportant.
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I highly doubt that it is "common knowledge".
It’s Christmas Day and I am feeling benevolent so I will try to help you
both if I can. I know how these Internet spats go, but ‘tis the season and
all, so let’s see.
Adam made an erudite joke about Lee J Cobb. Mack didn’t get it and said so.
Adam responded with a sigh.
Mack interpreted the sigh as, “you are an idiot for not understanding.“
Just for the record, that’s how I interpreted the sigh too.
Exactly. Why wouldn't any reasonable peson answer the question if he
knew the answer? I took his sigh as a put down.
But now it appears Adam intended the sigh as a signal of disappointment
that people didn’t understand his joke. No condescension; just regret.
Sounds like a minor misunderstanding to me. Amusing, even. Happy holidays
and peace on earth.
Adam H. Kerman
2023-12-26 01:15:02 UTC
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Post by Mack A. Damia
. . .
Exactly. Why wouldn't any reasonable peson answer the question if he
knew the answer? I took his sigh as a put down.
Clearly, you are never ever getting over it.

There's simply no reason to participate in this newsgroup.
Mack A. Damia
2023-12-26 02:29:41 UTC
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rOn Tue, 26 Dec 2023 01:15:02 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
Post by Adam H. Kerman
. . .
Exactly. Why wouldn't any reasonable person answer the question if he
knew the answer? I took his sigh as a put down.
Clearly, you are never ever getting over it.
I never ever get over rude people.
Post by Adam H. Kerman
There's simply no reason to participate in this newsgroup.
Good that you're leaving.
Adam H. Kerman
2023-12-25 20:21:41 UTC
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Post by Mack A. Damia
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Post by Mack A. Damia
Post by Mack A. Damia
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by Mack A. Damia
. . .
"12 Angry Men"
The one guy I don't like in that movie is Lee J. Cobb. Not certain
why, maybe his acting is a little too phony, too much of an
affectation.
He and Biff weren't on speaking terms.
Is it common knowledge who "Biff" is?
Sigh
Just answer the question, fool.
Lee J. Cobb is noted for playing Willy Loman in Arthur Miller's Death of a
Salesman. Willy's oldest son, with whom he did not see eye to eye, was
named Biff.
I actually remembered the name, but I would not consider it "common
knowledge." Biff in Back to the Future might qualify, especially here in a
movie discussion group, but answering the question rather than showing off
would have been a more reasonable response I think. Merry Christmas.
I certainly wasn't "showing off". And in this newsgroup, in which there
are discussions of old movies, yes, I was expecting it to be common
knowledge. As the joke fell flat, I wasn't in the mood to explain the
reference, but I really expected I'd need to. Nor did I expect to be the
target of Mack's foul mood.
If it was a "foul mood", it was in response to your foul reply to a
simple and reasonable question.
I highly doubt that it is "common knowledge".
In a newsgroup in which people discuss their love of old movies? Yes,
I expected its regulars to know whom Lee J. Cobb was.
moviePig
2023-12-26 03:36:26 UTC
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Post by Mack A. Damia
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Post by Mack A. Damia
Post by Mack A. Damia
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by Mack A. Damia
. . .
"12 Angry Men"
The one guy I don't like in that movie is Lee J. Cobb. Not certain
why, maybe his acting is a little too phony, too much of an
affectation.
He and Biff weren't on speaking terms.
Is it common knowledge who "Biff" is?
Sigh
Just answer the question, fool.
Lee J. Cobb is noted for playing Willy Loman in Arthur Miller's Death of a
Salesman. Willy's oldest son, with whom he did not see eye to eye, was
named Biff.
I actually remembered the name, but I would not consider it "common
knowledge." Biff in Back to the Future might qualify, especially here in a
movie discussion group, but answering the question rather than showing off
would have been a more reasonable response I think. Merry Christmas.
I certainly wasn't "showing off". And in this newsgroup, in which there
are discussions of old movies, yes, I was expecting it to be common
knowledge. As the joke fell flat, I wasn't in the mood to explain the
reference, but I really expected I'd need to. Nor did I expect to be the
target of Mack's foul mood.
If it was a "foul mood", it was in response to your foul reply to a
simple and reasonable question.
I highly doubt that it is "common knowledge".
In a newsgroup in which people discuss their love of old movies? Yes,
I expected its regulars to know whom Lee J. Cobb was.
"Lee J. Cobb", yes. "Biff", not so much. And it's "who".
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