Discussion:
WORST Bond movie?
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Lewis
2012-10-02 23:43:55 UTC
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I've always considered Moonraker to be the worst of the Bond movies, but
on reflection I'm not so sure that A View to a Kill wasn't worse. I
mean, Moonraker didn't have anything in it as bad as Tanya Roberts.
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gtr
2012-10-03 00:12:29 UTC
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Post by Lewis
I've always considered Moonraker to be the worst of the Bond movies, but
on reflection I'm not so sure that A View to a Kill wasn't worse. I
mean, Moonraker didn't have anything in it as bad as Tanya Roberts.
I've not yet found that wasn't on my worst list...
John Doe
2012-10-03 00:42:29 UTC
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Post by Lewis
I've always considered Moonraker to be the worst of the Bond
movies, but on reflection I'm not so sure that A View to a Kill
wasn't worse. I mean, Moonraker didn't have anything in it as
bad as Tanya Roberts.
I've not yet found that wasn't on my worst list...
Not that it matters, but...
That might be the most possible negatives in a single short
sentence.
g***@gmail.com
2020-01-27 07:22:50 UTC
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Post by Lewis
I've always considered Moonraker to be the worst of the Bond movies, but
on reflection I'm not so sure that A View to a Kill wasn't worse. I
mean, Moonraker didn't have anything in it as bad as Tanya Roberts.
I've not yet found that wasn't on my worst list...
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/aug/24/james-bond-on-film-ranked
hector
2020-01-27 13:18:24 UTC
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Post by Lewis
I've always considered Moonraker to be the worst of the Bond movies, but
on reflection I'm not so sure that A View to a Kill wasn't worse. I
mean, Moonraker didn't have anything in it as bad as Tanya Roberts.
I've not yet found that wasn't on my worst list...
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/aug/24/james-bond-on-film-ranked
People are greatly mistaken in maligning A View To A Kill so much.
Skyfall is my choice of the worst.
From it's yellowly look to a load of BS about Bond's estate and
whatever the action there was, and the dreadfull pacing throughout.
hector
2020-01-27 13:43:41 UTC
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Post by Lewis
I've always considered Moonraker to be the worst of the Bond movies, but
on reflection I'm not so sure that A View to a Kill wasn't worse. I
mean, Moonraker didn't have anything in it as bad as Tanya Roberts.
I've not yet found that wasn't on my worst list...
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/aug/24/james-bond-on-film-ranked
That list is a bit of a mangle, but I almost agree with You Only Live
Twice at number one, not sure if Goldfinger should be there or not.
The main problem with George Lazenby was that he had terrible
enunciation, really, that was probably the only issue. Roger Moore
talked terribly well and was beloved by the producers who kept bringing
him back beyond his initial contract.
The world would be a better place if Sean Connery had been in On Her
Majesty's Secret Service.
Halmyre
2020-01-28 07:40:25 UTC
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Post by Lewis
I've always considered Moonraker to be the worst of the Bond movies, but
on reflection I'm not so sure that A View to a Kill wasn't worse. I
mean, Moonraker didn't have anything in it as bad as Tanya Roberts.
I've not yet found that wasn't on my worst list...
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/aug/24/james-bond-on-film-ranked
That list is a bit of a mangle, but I almost agree with You Only Live
Twice at number one, not sure if Goldfinger should be there or not.
The main problem with George Lazenby was that he had terrible
enunciation, really, that was probably the only issue. Roger Moore
talked terribly well and was beloved by the producers who kept bringing
him back beyond his initial contract.
The world would be a better place if Sean Connery had been in On Her
Majesty's Secret Service.
But as someone pointed out elsewhere, if Connery had stayed on it would have been a very different film. They took a different approach with Lazenby in the role, almost going back to basics. A Connery film would have carried on in the increasingly silly Thunderball - YOLT vein.
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Adam H. Kerman
2020-01-28 13:59:45 UTC
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Post by Lewis
I've always considered Moonraker to be the worst of the Bond movies, but
on reflection I'm not so sure that A View to a Kill wasn't worse. I
mean, Moonraker didn't have anything in it as bad as Tanya Roberts.
I've not yet found that wasn't on my worst list...
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/aug/24/james-bond-on-film-ranked
That list is a bit of a mangle, but I almost agree with You Only Live
Twice at number one, not sure if Goldfinger should be there or not.
The main problem with George Lazenby was that he had terrible
enunciation, really, that was probably the only issue. Roger Moore
talked terribly well and was beloved by the producers who kept bringing
him back beyond his initial contract.
The world would be a better place if Sean Connery had been in On Her
Majesty's Secret Service.
But as someone pointed out elsewhere, if Connery had stayed on it would
have been a very different film. They took a different approach with
Lazenby in the role, almost going back to basics. A Connery film would
have carried on in the increasingly silly Thunderball - YOLT vein.
Circumstances of Connery quitting worked out great for OHMSS as we got
the straight adaptation and a really exciting movie.

Also, the production of YOLT was moved ahead of OHMSS because of a
severe winter, which is why Bond and Blofeld hadn't met and it didn't
make sense. In the novels, TB-OHMSS-YOLT are the Blofeld trilogy and
SPECTRE is in TB only. In the movies, SPECTRE substituted for SMERSH,
which is why you had the odd statement that Kleb had defected from the
Soviet Union in From Russia With Love.
hector
2020-02-15 03:45:12 UTC
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Post by Lewis
I've always considered Moonraker to be the worst of the Bond movies, but
on reflection I'm not so sure that A View to a Kill wasn't worse. I
mean, Moonraker didn't have anything in it as bad as Tanya Roberts.
I've not yet found that wasn't on my worst list...
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/aug/24/james-bond-on-film-ranked
That list is a bit of a mangle, but I almost agree with You Only Live
Twice at number one, not sure if Goldfinger should be there or not.
The main problem with George Lazenby was that he had terrible
enunciation, really, that was probably the only issue. Roger Moore
talked terribly well and was beloved by the producers who kept bringing
him back beyond his initial contract.
The world would be a better place if Sean Connery had been in On Her
Majesty's Secret Service.
But as someone pointed out elsewhere, if Connery had stayed on it would
have been a very different film. They took a different approach with
Lazenby in the role, almost going back to basics. A Connery film would
have carried on in the increasingly silly Thunderball - YOLT vein.
Circumstances of Connery quitting worked out great for OHMSS as we got
the straight adaptation and a really exciting movie.
Also, the production of YOLT was moved ahead of OHMSS because of a
severe winter, which is why Bond and Blofeld hadn't met and it didn't
make sense. In the novels, TB-OHMSS-YOLT are the Blofeld trilogy and
SPECTRE is in TB only. In the movies, SPECTRE substituted for SMERSH,
which is why you had the odd statement that Kleb had defected from the
Soviet Union in From Russia With Love.
Thanks for explaining that bit. I've never read the books.
Then people defect to Blofeld in You Only Live Twice.

hector
2020-02-15 03:44:14 UTC
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Post by Lewis
I've always considered Moonraker to be the worst of the Bond movies, but
on reflection I'm not so sure that A View to a Kill wasn't worse. I
mean, Moonraker didn't have anything in it as bad as Tanya Roberts.
I've not yet found that wasn't on my worst list...
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/aug/24/james-bond-on-film-ranked
That list is a bit of a mangle, but I almost agree with You Only Live
Twice at number one, not sure if Goldfinger should be there or not.
The main problem with George Lazenby was that he had terrible
enunciation, really, that was probably the only issue. Roger Moore
talked terribly well and was beloved by the producers who kept bringing
him back beyond his initial contract.
The world would be a better place if Sean Connery had been in On Her
Majesty's Secret Service.
But as someone pointed out elsewhere, if Connery had stayed on it would have been a very different film. They took a different approach with Lazenby in the role, almost going back to basics. A Connery film would have carried on in the increasingly silly Thunderball - YOLT vein.
Agree to disagree.
It has a feeling of emptiness now.
g***@gmail.com
2020-01-30 07:51:59 UTC
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Post by Lewis
I've always considered Moonraker to be the worst of the Bond movies, but
on reflection I'm not so sure that A View to a Kill wasn't worse. I
mean, Moonraker didn't have anything in it as bad as Tanya Roberts.
I've not yet found that wasn't on my worst list...
Wannabe Bonds:

https://www.cinemablend.com/news/2469249/12-actors-who-almost-played-james-bond-over-the-years
hislop
2012-10-03 00:23:13 UTC
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Post by Lewis
I've always considered Moonraker to be the worst of the Bond movies, but
on reflection I'm not so sure that A View to a Kill wasn't worse. I
mean, Moonraker didn't have anything in it as bad as Tanya Roberts.
I don't agree about A View To A Kill. That was one of the better Moore
Bond films. I saw it when it came out on a large screen and loved it.
It's been altered slightly since. It contained some types of scenes
that were used in music clips in the 80s, which is one reason I liked it
so much, those types of scenes belonged in a movie, not in a music clip.
One alteration that bothers me, is near the scene with the Eiffel Tower,
they had scratches put on the film, a kind of visual that made sense in
the 80s.
Mack A. Damia
2012-10-03 00:42:53 UTC
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On Tue, 2 Oct 2012 23:43:55 +0000 (UTC), Lewis
Post by Lewis
I've always considered Moonraker to be the worst of the Bond movies, but
on reflection I'm not so sure that A View to a Kill wasn't worse. I
mean, Moonraker didn't have anything in it as bad as Tanya Roberts.
In early 1954, Ian Fleming was paid $1000 for the television rights
for Casino Royale. The novel was adapted into an hour long TV special
and was broadcast on CBS on October 21st, 1954 as an episode of the
Climax! Mystery Theatre.

It was a low budget black and white episode that was adapted by
Charles Bennett, who wrote the screenplays for most of Alfred
Hitchcock's films in the 1930s. It starred Peter Lorre as Le Chiffre,
Linda Christian as Valerie Mathis, Michael Pate as Clarence Leiter,
and American actor Barry Nelson as the first ever James Bond.

Barry played James Bond very casually, and despite several laughable
fighting and torture scenes, the episode was an interesting and
enjoyable rendition of Casino Royale. Peter Lorre in particular was a
strong addition to the cast. The episode appears as a special feature
on the DVD for the 1967 spoof film Casino Royale.

I can see Peter Lorre playing an evil villain, but I cannot see Barry
Nelson as Bond. Not double-O material.
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oblomov
2012-10-03 00:57:48 UTC
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Post by Mack A. Damia
On Tue, 2 Oct 2012 23:43:55 +0000 (UTC), Lewis
In early 1954, Ian Fleming was paid $1000 for the television rights
for Casino Royale. The novel was adapted into an hour long TV special
and was broadcast on CBS on October 21st, 1954 as an episode of the
Climax! Mystery Theatre.
This early Bond is avaiable for streaming at youtube.
m***@frontier.com
2012-10-03 01:36:04 UTC
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Post by Lewis
I've always considered Moonraker to be the worst of the Bond movies, but
on reflection I'm not so sure that A View to a Kill wasn't worse. I
mean, Moonraker didn't have anything in it as bad as Tanya Roberts.
Man With the Golden Gun, is I think, the worst of the Moores. Diamonds are
Forever is the worst of Connery's. I disliked all of Timothy Dalton's, and
I've only seen Daniel Craig in the remake of Casino Royale, which I thought
was an OK action movie, but did not feel like Bond at all.

Of all the non-Connery Bonds, I liked Pierce Brosnan in "Goldeneye" best. De
gustibus.

PBT
anim8rFSK
2012-10-03 05:57:03 UTC
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Post by Lewis
I've always considered Moonraker to be the worst of the Bond movies, but
on reflection I'm not so sure that A View to a Kill wasn't worse. I
mean, Moonraker didn't have anything in it as bad as Tanya Roberts.
Man With the Golden Gun, is I think, the worst of the Moores.
View to a Kill is *wildly* worse than Golden Gun. So is Live and Let
Die, for that matter.

Diamonds are
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Forever is the worst of Connery's. I disliked all of Timothy Dalton's, and
I've only seen Daniel Craig in the remake of Casino Royale, which I thought
was an OK action movie, but did not feel like Bond at all.
Quantum of Solace is just horrid.
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Of all the non-Connery Bonds, I liked Pierce Brosnan in "Goldeneye" best. De
gustibus.
I have a soft spot for Goldeneye, but I got to work on the ad campaign,
so I'm prejudiced. :)
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Halmyre
2012-10-03 07:35:46 UTC
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Post by Lewis
I've always considered Moonraker to be the worst of the Bond movies, but
on reflection I'm not so sure that A View to a Kill wasn't worse. I
mean, Moonraker didn't have anything in it as bad as Tanya Roberts.
Man With the Golden Gun, is I think, the worst of the Moores. Diamonds are
Forever is the worst of Connery's. I disliked all of Timothy Dalton's, and
I've only seen Daniel Craig in the remake of Casino Royale, which I thought
was an OK action movie, but did not feel like Bond at all.
Of all the non-Connery Bonds, I liked Pierce Brosnan in "Goldeneye" best. De
gustibus.
Connery - DAF, reluctantly.

Moore - TMWTGG - it nearly killed the franchise (luckily he bounced
back with The Spy Who Loved Me, Moore's best shot at the role).
Moonraker and A View To A Kill are a close second in the worst-of
stakes, and I agree that For Your Eyes Only is much underrated
(albthough it has the worst theme song).

Dalton - Licence to Kill is a big drop-off after The Living Daylights.

Brosnan - Die Another Day is OK until Halle Berry and the invisible
Aston Martin show up, then it descends into farce.

Craig - no complaints so far.

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Halmyre
Michael OConnor
2012-10-03 10:23:35 UTC
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Post by Lewis
I've always considered Moonraker to be the worst of the Bond movies, but
on reflection I'm not so sure that A View to a Kill wasn't worse. I
mean, Moonraker didn't have anything in it as bad as Tanya Roberts.
Man With the Golden Gun, is I think, the worst of the Moores. Diamonds are
Forever is the worst of Connery's. I disliked all of Timothy Dalton's, and
I've only seen Daniel Craig in the remake of Casino Royale, which I thought
was an OK action movie, but did not feel like Bond at all.
Of all the non-Connery Bonds, I liked Pierce Brosnan in "Goldeneye" best. De
gustibus.
Connery - DAF, reluctantly.
Moore - TMWTGG - it nearly killed the franchise (luckily he bounced
back with The Spy Who Loved Me, Moore's best shot at the role).
Moonraker and A View To A Kill are a close second in the worst-of
stakes, and I agree that For Your Eyes Only is much underrated
(albthough it has the worst theme song).
Dalton - Licence to Kill is a big drop-off after The Living Daylights.
Brosnan - Die Another Day is OK until Halle Berry and the invisible
Aston Martin show up, then it descends into farce.
Craig - no complaints so far.
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Halmyre
I think probably the two most underrated Bond films are For Your Eyes
Only and License to Kill. I always liked License to Kill because it
was Bond going outside the scope of MI6, and it was a straight revenge
flick.

Worst Bond film, it is a tossup between Moonraker and A View to a
Kill. Both were dreadful, but I eventually have to settle on A View
to a Kill. Where do I begin? Christopher Walken as a German
Concentration Camp experiment, with his New York accent. I know the
villain role was first offered to both David Bowie and Sting, who both
turned it down, but they made the right decision. I also didn't how
you set off a bomb in a cave less than 100 feet underground but it
would flood the entire Silicon Valley. And Grace Jones? I never got
her either. Tanya Roberts was not the worst Bond girl, that IMO would
go to that user of new and improved Joker cosmetics, Denise Richards,
but I would rate Tanya Roberts as possibly second worst. Was there
anything good about this movie? I liked that they made a small role
for Patrick Macnee, but he was not very helpful as Bond's assistant
and got killed off pretty early. It was also Lois Maxwell's final
performance as Moneypenny.
Adam H. Kerman
2012-10-05 04:58:23 UTC
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I think probably the two most underrated Bond films are For Your Eyes
Only and License to Kill. I always liked License to Kill because it
was Bond going outside the scope of MI6, and it was a straight revenge
flick.
For Your Eyes Only could have been a great flick. The director forced
Moore to act in character and knock off the wink-wink-nudge-nudge crap.
I loved the slanted MI-6 temporary HQ set. But the talking parrot and
the Margaret Thatcher immitation snatched this film from the jaws of greatness.
anim8rFSK
2012-10-08 02:13:14 UTC
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I think probably the two most underrated Bond films are For Your Eyes
Only and License to Kill. I always liked License to Kill because it
was Bond going outside the scope of MI6, and it was a straight revenge
flick.
For Your Eyes Only could have been a great flick. The director forced
Moore to act in character and knock off the wink-wink-nudge-nudge crap.
I loved the slanted MI-6 temporary HQ set. But the talking parrot and
the Margaret Thatcher immitation snatched this film from the jaws of greatness.
Oh, God, and her retarded Dennis. WTH?
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b***@aol.com
2012-10-07 22:08:54 UTC
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Post by Michael OConnor
I think probably the two most underrated Bond films are For Your Eyes
Only and License to Kill. I always liked License to Kill because it
was Bond going outside the scope of MI6, and it was a straight revenge
flick.
I agree that License To Kill is one of the most underrated. But I've never been able to watch For Your Eyes Only without falling asleep. For me, it's the worst Bond film.
anim8rFSK
2012-10-08 02:12:16 UTC
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Post by Lewis
I've always considered Moonraker to be the worst of the Bond movies, but
on reflection I'm not so sure that A View to a Kill wasn't worse. I
mean, Moonraker didn't have anything in it as bad as Tanya Roberts.
Man With the Golden Gun, is I think, the worst of the Moores. Diamonds are
Forever is the worst of Connery's. I disliked all of Timothy Dalton's, and
I've only seen Daniel Craig in the remake of Casino Royale, which I thought
was an OK action movie, but did not feel like Bond at all.
Of all the non-Connery Bonds, I liked Pierce Brosnan in "Goldeneye" best. De
gustibus.
Connery - DAF, reluctantly.
Moore - TMWTGG - it nearly killed the franchise (luckily he bounced
back with The Spy Who Loved Me, Moore's best shot at the role).
Moonraker and A View To A Kill are a close second in the worst-of
stakes, and I agree that For Your Eyes Only is much underrated
(albthough it has the worst theme song).
Dalton - Licence to Kill is a big drop-off after The Living Daylights.
Brosnan - Die Another Day is OK until Halle Berry and the invisible
Aston Martin show up, then it descends into farce.
Craig - no complaints so far.
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Halmyre
I think probably the two most underrated Bond films are For Your Eyes
Only and License to Kill. I always liked License to Kill because it
was Bond going outside the scope of MI6, and it was a straight revenge
flick.
Worst Bond film, it is a tossup between Moonraker and A View to a
Kill. Both were dreadful, but I eventually have to settle on A View
to a Kill. Where do I begin? Christopher Walken as a German
Concentration Camp experiment, with his New York accent. I know the
villain role was first offered to both David Bowie and Sting, who both
turned it down, but they made the right decision. I also didn't how
you set off a bomb in a cave less than 100 feet underground but it
would flood the entire Silicon Valley. And Grace Jones? I never got
her either. Tanya Roberts was not the worst Bond girl, that IMO would
go to that user of new and improved Joker cosmetics, Denise Richards,
but I would rate Tanya Roberts as possibly second worst. Was there
anything good about this movie? I liked that they made a small role
for Patrick Macnee, but he was not very helpful as Bond's assistant
and got killed off pretty early. It was also Lois Maxwell's final
performance as Moneypenny.
I love Tanya Roberts. For a movie to present her so horribly that I
want her off the screen is an amazing achievement. Is her taking off
the jumpsuit and having the dress and heels underneath supposed to be
funny? Homage to Connery? Or just stupid?
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Obveeus
2012-10-03 12:04:07 UTC
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Brosnan - Die Another Day is OK until Halle Berry and the invisible
Aston Martin show up, then it descends into farce.
Ah yes, the invisible indoor car. That would be my vote for worst Bond
film.
notbob
2012-10-03 16:55:28 UTC
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Post by Obveeus
Ah yes, the invisible indoor car. That would be my vote for worst Bond
film.
They were all pretty ludicrous from You Only Live Twice, on. That
retracting lake/ceiling was beyond unbelivable, but no more than
tobogganing down a mountin in a the world's largest cello case.

nb
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a***@yahoo.com
2012-10-03 13:13:19 UTC
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Post by Lewis
I've always considered Moonraker to be the worst of the Bond movies, but
on reflection I'm not so sure that A View to a Kill wasn't worse. I
mean, Moonraker didn't have anything in it as bad as Tanya Roberts.
Man With the Golden Gun, is I think, the worst of the Moores. Diamonds are
Forever is the worst of Connery's. I disliked all of Timothy Dalton's, and
I've only seen Daniel Craig in the remake of Casino Royale, which I thought
was an OK action movie, but did not feel like Bond at all.
Of all the non-Connery Bonds, I liked Pierce Brosnan in "Goldeneye" best. De
gustibus.
Connery - DAF, reluctantly.
Moore - TMWTGG - it nearly killed the franchise (luckily he bounced
back with The Spy Who Loved Me, Moore's best shot at the role).
Moonraker and A View To A Kill are a close second in the worst-of
stakes, and I agree that For Your Eyes Only is much underrated
(albthough it has the worst theme song).
Dalton - Licence to Kill is a big drop-off after The Living Daylights.
Brosnan - Die Another Day is OK until Halle Berry and the invisible
Aston Martin show up, then it descends into farce.
Craig - no complaints so far.
I'm sure there is a good reason why you left George Lazenby out.
Halmyre
2012-10-03 14:28:48 UTC
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Post by Lewis
I've always considered Moonraker to be the worst of the Bond movies, but
on reflection I'm not so sure that A View to a Kill wasn't worse. I
mean, Moonraker didn't have anything in it as bad as Tanya Roberts.
Man With the Golden Gun, is I think, the worst of the Moores. Diamonds are
Forever is the worst of Connery's. I disliked all of Timothy Dalton's, and
I've only seen Daniel Craig in the remake of Casino Royale, which I thought
was an OK action movie, but did not feel like Bond at all.
Of all the non-Connery Bonds, I liked Pierce Brosnan in "Goldeneye" best. De
gustibus.
Connery - DAF, reluctantly.
Moore - TMWTGG - it nearly killed the franchise (luckily he bounced
back with The Spy Who Loved Me, Moore's best shot at the role).
Moonraker and A View To A Kill are a close second in the worst-of
stakes, and I agree that For Your Eyes Only is much underrated
(albthough it has the worst theme song).
Dalton - Licence to Kill is a big drop-off after The Living Daylights.
Brosnan - Die Another Day is OK until Halle Berry and the invisible
Aston Martin show up, then it descends into farce.
Craig - no complaints so far.
I'm sure there is a good reason why you left George Lazenby out.
To be fair, he only did the one film, so it's hard to say that X is
better than Y.

It does have some silly elements (Sir Hilary) and some very good ones
(chase through the ski resort). But I can't watch it without wondering
"what would Connery have been like in this?". It's close in feel to
From Russia With Love, and that was probably Connery's best.

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Halmyre
Adam H. Kerman
2012-10-05 05:02:01 UTC
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I'm sure there is a good reason why you left George Lazenby out.
To be fair, he only did the one film, so it's hard to say that X is
better than Y.
It does have some silly elements (Sir Hilary) and some very good ones
(chase through the ski resort). But I can't watch it without wondering
"what would Connery have been like in this?". It's close in feel to
From Russia With Love, and that was probably Connery's best.
If Connery hadn't left the role, we never would have had a straight
adaptation of the novel.
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2012-10-08 02:07:30 UTC
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Post by Lewis
I've always considered Moonraker to be the worst of the Bond movies, but
on reflection I'm not so sure that A View to a Kill wasn't worse. I
mean, Moonraker didn't have anything in it as bad as Tanya Roberts.
Man With the Golden Gun, is I think, the worst of the Moores. Diamonds are
Forever is the worst of Connery's. I disliked all of Timothy Dalton's, and
I've only seen Daniel Craig in the remake of Casino Royale, which I thought
was an OK action movie, but did not feel like Bond at all.
Of all the non-Connery Bonds, I liked Pierce Brosnan in "Goldeneye" best. De
gustibus.
Connery - DAF, reluctantly.
Moore - TMWTGG - it nearly killed the franchise (luckily he bounced
back with The Spy Who Loved Me, Moore's best shot at the role).
Moonraker and A View To A Kill are a close second in the worst-of
stakes, and I agree that For Your Eyes Only is much underrated
(albthough it has the worst theme song).
Dalton - Licence to Kill is a big drop-off after The Living Daylights.
Brosnan - Die Another Day is OK until Halle Berry and the invisible
Aston Martin show up, then it descends into farce.
Craig - no complaints so far.
I'm sure there is a good reason why you left George Lazenby out.
To be fair, he only did the one film, so it's hard to say that X is
better than Y.
It does have some silly elements (Sir Hilary) and some very good ones
(chase through the ski resort). But I can't watch it without wondering
"what would Connery have been like in this?". It's close in feel to
From Russia With Love, and that was probably Connery's best.
--
Halmyre
There are some awful decisions that I've always wondered if they were
made because of Lazenby or if it would have been that way with Connery,
like that first fight being sped up so fast that Benny Hill music would
be appropriate with it, and of course dubbing Bond for the whole middle
of the film ...
--
"Every time a Kardashian gets a TV show, an angel dies."
A.Gerard
2012-10-08 10:34:01 UTC
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like that first fight being sped up so fast that Benny Hill music would
be appropriate with it, and of course dubbing Bond for the whole middle
of the film ...
I LOVED that opening fight scene, and despite the speed-up, it was far better than the speeding yacht at the end of THUNDERBALL. Now THAT was Benny Hill...

Interesting about the George Baker dub; Baker was Terence Young's personal choice for Bond.
Lewis
2012-10-03 22:45:29 UTC
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Post by Halmyre
Post by m***@frontier.com
Post by Lewis
I've always considered Moonraker to be the worst of the Bond movies, but
on reflection I'm not so sure that A View to a Kill wasn't worse. I
mean, Moonraker didn't have anything in it as bad as Tanya Roberts.
Man With the Golden Gun, is I think, the worst of the Moores. Diamonds are
Forever is the worst of Connery's. I disliked all of Timothy Dalton's, and
I've only seen Daniel Craig in the remake of Casino Royale, which I thought
was an OK action movie, but did not feel like Bond at all.
Of all the non-Connery Bonds, I liked Pierce Brosnan in "Goldeneye" best. De
gustibus.
Connery - DAF, reluctantly.
Moore - TMWTGG - it nearly killed the franchise (luckily he bounced
back with The Spy Who Loved Me, Moore's best shot at the role).
Moonraker and A View To A Kill are a close second in the worst-of
stakes, and I agree that For Your Eyes Only is much underrated
(albthough it has the worst theme song).
Dalton - Licence to Kill is a big drop-off after The Living Daylights.
Brosnan - Die Another Day is OK until Halle Berry and the invisible
Aston Martin show up, then it descends into farce.
Craig - no complaints so far.
I'm sure there is a good reason why you left George Lazenby out.
His worst movie is his best movie, definitionally.

I am one of the minority that do not have Lazenby, or his Bond, or his
Bond movie.
--
I CANNOT ABSOLVE SINS Bart chalkboard Ep. AABF14
mikeos
2012-10-04 08:08:36 UTC
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I'm sure there is a good reason why you left George Lazenby out.
Actually his Bond movie had what I think is the best single scene, the
opening fight on a beach, beautifully shot at dusk in available light only.
mikeos
2012-10-04 08:10:31 UTC
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Post by Halmyre
Dalton - Licence to Kill is a big drop-off after The Living Daylights.
Is it true that the original title - Licence Revoked - was changed
because they didn't think that Americans would know what "revoked"
meant, or is it an urban legend?
notbob
2012-10-04 12:32:44 UTC
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Post by Halmyre
Dalton - Licence to Kill is a big drop-off after The Living Daylights.
Is it true that the original title - Licence Revoked - was changed
because they didn't think that Americans would know what "revoked"
meant, or is it an urban legend?
Jes an FYI: Netflix jes moved From Russia With Love to Netflix
streaming. I hope this is a trend.

On the down side, yesterday watched Monsoon Wedding, one of my
all-time faves, on NF streaming. Unfortunately, the subtitles were
missing, and over half the movie is in Punjabi/Hindi and is pretty
much un-followable without them. I bitched to Netflix, for what ever
good it will do.

nb
--
Definition of objectivism:
"Eff you! I got mine."
http://www.nongmoproject.org/
Obveeus
2012-10-04 19:28:11 UTC
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Post by mikeos
Post by Halmyre
Dalton - Licence to Kill is a big drop-off after The Living Daylights.
Is it true that the original title - Licence Revoked - was changed
because they didn't think that Americans would know what "revoked"
meant, or is it an urban legend?
Jes an FYI: Netflix jes moved From Russia With Love to Netflix
streaming. I hope this is a trend.
Seven Bond films available streaming from NETFLIX right now:

From Russia With Love (Connery 1963)
On Her Majesty's Secret Service (Lazenby 1969)
Diamonds Are Forever (Connery 1971)
The Man With The Golden Gun (Moore 1974)
Moonraker (Moore 1979)
Never Say Never Again (Connery 1983)
The Living Daylights (Dalton 1987)
anim8rFSK
2012-10-08 01:59:26 UTC
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Post by notbob
Post by mikeos
Post by Halmyre
Dalton - Licence to Kill is a big drop-off after The Living Daylights.
Is it true that the original title - Licence Revoked - was changed
because they didn't think that Americans would know what "revoked"
meant, or is it an urban legend?
Jes an FYI: Netflix jes moved From Russia With Love to Netflix
streaming. I hope this is a trend.
From Russia With Love (Connery 1963)
On Her Majesty's Secret Service (Lazenby 1969)
Diamonds Are Forever (Connery 1971)
The Man With The Golden Gun (Moore 1974)
Moonraker (Moore 1979)
Never Say Never Again (Connery 1983)
The Living Daylights (Dalton 1987)
Cool, thanks. I had a ton of Bond films in my queue when I first signed
up with Netflix but they'd all dropped out over time.
--
"Every time a Kardashian gets a TV show, an angel dies."
Obveeus
2012-10-08 11:49:45 UTC
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Post by Obveeus
Post by notbob
Post by mikeos
Post by Halmyre
Dalton - Licence to Kill is a big drop-off after The Living Daylights.
Is it true that the original title - Licence Revoked - was changed
because they didn't think that Americans would know what "revoked"
meant, or is it an urban legend?
Jes an FYI: Netflix jes moved From Russia With Love to Netflix
streaming. I hope this is a trend.
From Russia With Love (Connery 1963)
On Her Majesty's Secret Service (Lazenby 1969)
Diamonds Are Forever (Connery 1971)
The Man With The Golden Gun (Moore 1974)
Moonraker (Moore 1979)
Never Say Never Again (Connery 1983)
The Living Daylights (Dalton 1987)
Cool, thanks. I had a ton of Bond films in my queue when I first signed
up with Netflix but they'd all dropped out over time.
Don't the films pop directly back into the queue (if they were in your queue
before) when they become re-available? I know I have had it work that way
in the past.
m***@frontier.com
2012-10-04 21:03:23 UTC
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Post by Halmyre
Dalton - Licence to Kill is a big drop-off after The Living Daylights.
Is it true that the original title - Licence Revoked - was changed because
they didn't think that Americans would know what "revoked" meant, or is it
an urban legend?
I think that's a nasty lie. Plenty of Americans know what revoked
means--it's the word univerally used when your driver's license is taken
away. *_*

Besides, was the film (based on the Gardner novel?) ever called anything but
"The Living Daylights?"
Adam H. Kerman
2012-10-05 05:45:00 UTC
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Post by Halmyre
Dalton - Licence to Kill is a big drop-off after The Living Daylights.
Is it true that the original title - Licence Revoked - was changed because
they didn't think that Americans would know what "revoked" meant, or is it
an urban legend?
I think that's a nasty lie. Plenty of Americans know what revoked
means--it's the word univerally used when your driver's license is taken
away. *_*
Besides, was the film (based on the Gardner novel?) ever called anything but
"The Living Daylights?"
They're not going to adapt any of the post-Fleming novels, 'cuz then
they have to pay their authors for adaptation rights.
bermuda999
2012-10-05 08:29:51 UTC
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Post by m***@frontier.com
Post by Halmyre
Dalton - Licence to Kill is a big drop-off after The Living Daylights.
Is it true that the original title - Licence Revoked - was changed because
they didn't think that Americans would know what "revoked" meant, or is it
an urban legend?
I think that's a nasty lie. Plenty of Americans know what revoked
means--it's the word univerally used when your driver's license is taken
away. *_*
Besides, was the film (based on the Gardner novel?) ever called anything but
"The Living Daylights?"
The paragraph to which you are replying refers to "Licence Revoked" as the original title of "Licence to Kill", not "The Living Daylights"

And "The Living Daylights" was based loosely on an Ian Fleming short story of the same name.
Adam H. Kerman
2012-10-17 04:59:16 UTC
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And "The Living Daylights" was based loosely on an Ian Fleming short story of the same name.
Well, she's blonde and she's a cellist, but she's no longer the
assasin. That's a massive change in adaptation.
bermuda999
2012-10-05 08:23:36 UTC
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Post by Halmyre
Dalton - Licence to Kill is a big drop-off after The Living Daylights.
Is it true that the original title - Licence Revoked - was changed
because they didn't think that Americans would know what "revoked"
meant, or is it an urban legend?
According to Wiki, it was for a somewhat opposite reason - that Americans associate "Licence Revoked" (or License Revoked) with the much more mundane loss of a driving permit (citing Jim Snith's "Bond Films")
Howard Brazee
2012-10-05 12:28:06 UTC
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On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 01:23:36 -0700 (PDT), bermuda999
Post by bermuda999
Post by mikeos
Post by Halmyre
Dalton - Licence to Kill is a big drop-off after The Living Daylights.
Is it true that the original title - Licence Revoked - was changed
because they didn't think that Americans would know what "revoked"
meant, or is it an urban legend?
According to Wiki, it was for a somewhat opposite reason - that Americans associate "Licence Revoked" (or License Revoked) with the much more mundane loss of a driving permit (citing Jim Snith's "Bond Films")
So? We know what the word means, and we know what license Bond
owns.

Publishers assumed we couldn't understand _Harry Potter and the
Sorcerer's Stone_.

I don't believe it would have mattered a bit even if they were right
(for either title). It makes them feel important.
--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison
bermuda999
2012-10-05 13:49:17 UTC
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On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 01:23:36 -0700 (PDT), bermuda999
Post by bermuda999
Post by mikeos
Post by Halmyre
Dalton - Licence to Kill is a big drop-off after The Living Daylights.
Is it true that the original title - Licence Revoked - was changed
because they didn't think that Americans would know what "revoked"
meant, or is it an urban legend?
According to Wiki, it was for a somewhat opposite reason - that Americans associate "Licence Revoked" (or License Revoked) with the much more mundane loss of a driving permit (citing Jim Snith's "Bond Films")
So? We know what the word means, and we know what license Bond
owns.
Publishers assumed we couldn't understand _Harry Potter and the
Sorcerer's Stone_.
Perhaps you mean that publishers assumed we couldn't understand the original title "Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone"?
Howard Brazee
2012-10-05 21:41:59 UTC
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On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 06:49:17 -0700 (PDT), bermuda999
Post by bermuda999
Post by Howard Brazee
Publishers assumed we couldn't understand _Harry Potter and the
Sorcerer's Stone_.
Perhaps you mean that publishers assumed we couldn't understand the original title "Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone"?
Correct. But even if they were right - how many people would have
skipped this book (expecting a philosophy paper???) ?
--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison
notbob
2012-10-05 23:31:55 UTC
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On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 06:49:17 -0700 (PDT), bermuda999
Post by bermuda999
Perhaps you mean that publishers assumed we couldn't understand the original title "Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone"?
Correct. But even if they were right - how many people would have
skipped this book (expecting a philosophy paper???) ?
With as kids being as clueless as they are, anymore, it's hard to say.

Being a geezer, I know what a philosopher's stone is, so not a
problem. My hurdle was getting past the movies to the books, which I
think are brilliant. With all the press pre-release hype and kids
going all apey, I didn't think the books would be worthwhile.
Finally, I saw the movies with my granddaughters. Pretty
entertaining. Later, I heard good things about the books. Having
lost TV (and didn't care), I had even more time on my hands, so I
decided to read the first book. Wow. By the last book, the franchise
had turned deadly grim and was no mere child's tale. I'm jes now
reading the last book for the 2nd time. Good stuff and Rowling
deserves every penny!

nb
--
Definition of objectivism:
"Eff you! I got mine."
http://www.nongmoproject.org/
hislop
2012-10-03 15:51:20 UTC
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Post by Lewis
I've always considered Moonraker to be the worst of the Bond movies, but
on reflection I'm not so sure that A View to a Kill wasn't worse. I
mean, Moonraker didn't have anything in it as bad as Tanya Roberts.
Man With the Golden Gun, is I think, the worst of the Moores. Diamonds are
Forever is the worst of Connery's. I disliked all of Timothy Dalton's, and
I've only seen Daniel Craig in the remake of Casino Royale, which I thought
was an OK action movie, but did not feel like Bond at all.
Both Live and Let Die and MWTGG were not in full widescreen for the
first time since Goldfinger, they were released fairly close together
too. They are just different from the other run of movies.
I never really got into or appreciated The Spy Who Loved Me, that time
period just didn't seem right for Bond movies.
Post by m***@frontier.com
Of all the non-Connery Bonds, I liked Pierce Brosnan in "Goldeneye" best. De
gustibus.
I prefer Tomorrow Never Dies.

I look for stylistic things in Bond films as well as old Hollywood
standards that probably motivates other people. I wouldn't judge any
other movie types by the same stylistics aspects. Bond films are what
are aimed for by B grade imitations in music clips and other movies.
Post by m***@frontier.com
PBT
Adam H. Kerman
2012-10-05 04:55:25 UTC
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Post by Lewis
I've always considered Moonraker to be the worst of the Bond movies, but
on reflection I'm not so sure that A View to a Kill wasn't worse. I
mean, Moonraker didn't have anything in it as bad as Tanya Roberts.
Man With the Golden Gun, is I think, the worst of the Moores.
Moonraker is inexcusably bad because it's such a horrid adaptation of
Ian Fleming's best novel in the series. I've never watched A View to a Kill,
but I'm waiting for a day when I'm already naseus.
Post by m***@frontier.com
Diamonds are Forever is the worst of Connery's.
I'm fond of this movie, even though the plot makes zero sense and it's a
remake of You Only Live Twice. It's just so damn quotable. You Only Live
Twice is the lesser movie because Connery makes it clear he's not there
willingly and gives a very tired performance. I just don't like Donald
Pleasance as Blofeld. But, damn, it's got that fabulous fight in the mountain,
the biggest set ever built, and the gorgeous Japanese photography.
Post by m***@frontier.com
I disliked all of Timothy Dalton's,
Oh, even though The Living Daylights was written for Moore, it's entertaining,
despite abuse of an innocent cello. I'm fond of Licence to Kill, which isn't
exactly a Bond movie. Dalton's a great actor and was robbed of making
better movies as Bond, thanks to studio bankruptcies.
Post by m***@frontier.com
and I've only seen Daniel Craig in the remake of Casino Royale, which
I thought was an OK action movie, but did not feel like Bond at all.
I felt he got quite close to Bond from the early novels. Do yourself
a favor and don't see Quantum of Solace.
Post by m***@frontier.com
Of all the non-Connery Bonds, I liked Pierce Brosnan in "Goldeneye" best. De
gustibus.
I like Goldeneye, too, even though it's a remake of The Man With the Golden
Gun and Octopussy, and the stupidity of Samantha Mathis's lines as Moneypenny.
trotsky
2012-10-05 10:27:55 UTC
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Post by m***@frontier.com
Post by Lewis
I've always considered Moonraker to be the worst of the Bond movies, but
on reflection I'm not so sure that A View to a Kill wasn't worse. I
mean, Moonraker didn't have anything in it as bad as Tanya Roberts.
Man With the Golden Gun, is I think, the worst of the Moores.
Moonraker is inexcusably bad because it's such a horrid adaptation of
Ian Fleming's best novel in the series. I've never watched A View to a Kill,
but I'm waiting for a day when I'm already naseus.
What?
Howard Brazee
2012-10-05 12:30:26 UTC
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Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by m***@frontier.com
Man With the Golden Gun, is I think, the worst of the Moores.
Moonraker is inexcusably bad because it's such a horrid adaptation of
Ian Fleming's best novel in the series. I've never watched A View to a Kill,
but I'm waiting for a day when I'm already naseus.
I disagree in two ways:

1. It is inexcusably bad on its own.
2. It is not an adaptation at all of the movie, having the title and
main character is insufficient to make it an adaptation.
--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison
Adam H. Kerman
2012-10-17 05:02:27 UTC
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Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by m***@frontier.com
Man With the Golden Gun, is I think, the worst of the Moores.
Moonraker is inexcusably bad because it's such a horrid adaptation of
Ian Fleming's best novel in the series. I've never watched A View to a Kill,
but I'm waiting for a day when I'm already naseus.
1. It is inexcusably bad on its own.
Hahahahahaha
Post by Howard Brazee
2. It is not an adaptation at all of the movie, having the title and
main character is insufficient to make it an adaptation.
Yeah, there are parts of the movie that are adapted straight from the novel,
like the scenes at Hugo Drax's estate and the card scene. Otherwise, it's
yet another remake of You Only Live Twice.
hislop
2012-10-03 15:47:10 UTC
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Post by Lewis
I've always considered Moonraker to be the worst of the Bond movies, but
on reflection I'm not so sure that A View to a Kill wasn't worse. I
mean, Moonraker didn't have anything in it as bad as Tanya Roberts.
Bonds are really judged by their speaking voices. Roger Moore had the
easiest to understand voice and was much liked by the producers.
Whereas George Lazenby had a terrible speaking voice, an example is the
scene where he is looking at a butterfly collection with M, they didn't
like him at all.
Timothy Dalton wouldn't speak up.
I can't say what are the worst Bond films, but things never seemed right
in the 70s for whatever reason, though they are still good.
TT
2012-10-03 17:26:57 UTC
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Post by Lewis
I've always considered Moonraker to be the worst of the Bond movies, but
on reflection I'm not so sure that A View to a Kill wasn't worse. I
mean, Moonraker didn't have anything in it as bad as Tanya Roberts.
Casino Royale without a doubt. I'd rather my balls being hit with a rope
than watch it again.
T987654321
2012-10-04 00:09:16 UTC
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The Craig films!
Adam H. Kerman
2020-01-27 18:51:23 UTC
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Post by Lewis
I've always considered Moonraker to be the worst of the Bond movies, but
on reflection I'm not so sure that A View to a Kill wasn't worse. I
mean, Moonraker didn't have anything in it as bad as Tanya Roberts.
Moonraker is in a special category for me. The film is so very
disappointing because it's adapted from Fleming's best novel, and that
makes a weak movie a bad movie. Unfortunately, a straight adaptation
would have required that the movie be set in the '50's done as a period
piece, but producers decided that audiences wanted science fiction
instead of a rollicking good story.

I've seen a convincing argument from several fans of Bond movies that
there's enough good stuff in A View to a Kill that there's a better
movie to be found with a proper re-edit.

But the script writers were morons for killing off the Patrick Macnee
character early.
Bill Anderson
2020-01-28 03:25:56 UTC
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Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by Lewis
I've always considered Moonraker to be the worst of the Bond movies, but
on reflection I'm not so sure that A View to a Kill wasn't worse. I
mean, Moonraker didn't have anything in it as bad as Tanya Roberts.
Moonraker is in a special category for me. The film is so very
disappointing because it's adapted from Fleming's best novel,
The best novel is also the second-best Connery movie and the most
faithful transition from book to screen: FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE. It was
early 1965 and I was 17 and the GOLDFINGER craze was running at full
throttle and I'd never seen lines around the block at a MOVIE before --
amazing -- and a girl told me there'd been two Bond movies before
GOLDFINGER (I had no idea) and they were playing as a drive-in double
feature and and OMG Ursula Andress coming out of the water and when I'd
caught up on the movies I headed straight to the bookstore and there
were all the paperbacks, shiny new, packed on a mile-long shelf for 50
cents apiece and there was GOLDFINGER and DR. NO and FROM RUSSIA and so
many others I'd never heard of and, oh look, a rocket: and MOONRAKER
became the first Bond book I read. And it was good, but I soon
discovered as I made my way through all of them that it wasn't the best.
I have spoken.
--
Bill Anderson

I am the Mighty Favog
hector
2020-01-28 06:37:21 UTC
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Post by Lewis
I've always considered Moonraker to be the worst of the Bond movies, but
on reflection I'm not so sure that A View to a Kill wasn't worse. I
mean, Moonraker didn't have anything in it as bad as Tanya Roberts.
Moonraker is in a special category for me. The film is so very
disappointing because it's adapted from Fleming's best novel, and that
makes a weak movie a bad movie. Unfortunately, a straight adaptation
would have required that the movie be set in the '50's done as a period
piece, but producers decided that audiences wanted science fiction
instead of a rollicking good story.
I've seen a convincing argument from several fans of Bond movies that
there's enough good stuff in A View to a Kill that there's a better
movie to be found with a proper re-edit.
But the script writers were morons for killing off the Patrick Macnee
character early.
I've never read the novels and I can't really relate to people who
compare the movies with them. I've heard that Licence To Kill had some
type of faithfulness to a novel.
A View To A Kill used stylistics elements from 80s videos. One I saw in
a cinema is missing from the movie.
Adam H. Kerman
2020-01-28 13:52:57 UTC
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Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by Lewis
I've always considered Moonraker to be the worst of the Bond movies, but
on reflection I'm not so sure that A View to a Kill wasn't worse. I
mean, Moonraker didn't have anything in it as bad as Tanya Roberts.
Moonraker is in a special category for me. The film is so very
disappointing because it's adapted from Fleming's best novel, and that
makes a weak movie a bad movie. Unfortunately, a straight adaptation
would have required that the movie be set in the '50's done as a period
piece, but producers decided that audiences wanted science fiction
instead of a rollicking good story.
I've seen a convincing argument from several fans of Bond movies that
there's enough good stuff in A View to a Kill that there's a better
movie to be found with a proper re-edit.
But the script writers were morons for killing off the Patrick Macnee
character early.
I've never read the novels and I can't really relate to people who
compare the movies with them. I've heard that Licence To Kill had some
type of faithfulness to a novel.
That movie had an original script. Many of the Bond movies with original
scripts had unused bits of novels and short stories incorporated.

I rather liked Timothy Dalton's performance. You really saw Fleming's
Bond.
Post by hector
A View To A Kill used stylistics elements from 80s videos. One I saw in
a cinema is missing from the movie.
Really? What scene got cut?
hector
2020-02-15 03:43:10 UTC
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Post by hector
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by Lewis
I've always considered Moonraker to be the worst of the Bond movies, but
on reflection I'm not so sure that A View to a Kill wasn't worse. I
mean, Moonraker didn't have anything in it as bad as Tanya Roberts.
Moonraker is in a special category for me. The film is so very
disappointing because it's adapted from Fleming's best novel, and that
makes a weak movie a bad movie. Unfortunately, a straight adaptation
would have required that the movie be set in the '50's done as a period
piece, but producers decided that audiences wanted science fiction
instead of a rollicking good story.
I've seen a convincing argument from several fans of Bond movies that
there's enough good stuff in A View to a Kill that there's a better
movie to be found with a proper re-edit.
But the script writers were morons for killing off the Patrick Macnee
character early.
I've never read the novels and I can't really relate to people who
compare the movies with them. I've heard that Licence To Kill had some
type of faithfulness to a novel.
That movie had an original script. Many of the Bond movies with original
scripts had unused bits of novels and short stories incorporated.
I rather liked Timothy Dalton's performance. You really saw Fleming's
Bond.
Post by hector
A View To A Kill used stylistics elements from 80s videos. One I saw in
a cinema is missing from the movie.
Really? What scene got cut?
No, not a scene. An 80s affectation.
When the black woman (can't think of her name right now) does something
in the Eiffel Tower you see a slashed bit of film. Saying it now it
might seem like a fault with the movie, but it wasn't.
I liked that movie.
I really noticed it not being there.
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