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Citizen Kane (US) 1941
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william ahearn
2019-09-11 01:25:21 UTC
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Hey,

Sometimes you just don't know how good you've got it. Growing up in Queens, NY in the post-World War II era, the television played movie after movie. The TV was down in the basement of a house whose family was at odds with itself and it was my sanctuary of sorts from the rancor and petty spats. What was great about the experience is that the movies played indiscriminately as the good, the bad and the ridiculous followed one another almost endlessly.

When Citizen Kane came on, it wasn't preceded by a guy in a suit going on about the importance of this or the significance of that. It was just another movie in a sea of movies. Although it stood out – so did numerous other films – sometimes I find the cult of personality surrounding Orson Welles as distressing as the slavish devotion critics have for what it a good film and that's about all. There is no need – on my part – to pick the film apart.

There is some other need being filled by what passes for passion in regards to this film. Damned if I know what it is.
Stephen DeMay
2019-09-11 18:19:06 UTC
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Hey,
Sometimes you just don't know how good you've got it. Growing up in Queens, NY in the post-World War II era, the television played movie after movie. The TV was down in the basement of a house whose family was at odds with itself and it was my sanctuary of sorts from the rancor and petty spats. What was great about the experience is that the movies played indiscriminately as the good, the bad and the ridiculous followed one another almost endlessly.
When Citizen Kane came on, it wasn't preceded by a guy in a suit going on about the importance of this or the significance of that. It was just another movie in a sea of movies. Although it stood out – so did numerous other films – sometimes I find the cult of personality surrounding Orson Welles as distressing as the slavish devotion critics have for what it a good film and that's about all. There is no need – on my part – to pick the film apart.
There is some other need being filled by what passes for passion in regards to this film. Damned if I know what it is.
BEst example of how tv stations would play anything in the 50's and 60's was a Spanish language UHF station running Fritz Lang's 1924 version of Die Niebelung/Siegfreid because it has a dragon in it.
In the NYC area it was a lot of 30's and 40's B films. One late night show called Hollywood's Finest would at times show foreign films.
Kane has three fine moments, other than that pretty thin. Ask a random film person who believes Kane to be great and you shouldn't expect much.
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2019-10-13 15:24:33 UTC
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BEst example of how tv stations would play anything in the 50's and
60's was a Spanish language UHF station running Fritz Lang's 1924
version of Die Niebelung/Siegfreid because it has a dragon in it.
Spanish language stations were channels 41 and 47, out of Newark if I recall
(or at least one of them was). In the early to mid-70s one of them would show silent Laurel and Hardy films (silents that never had sound version, like Big Business)) and add dubbed-in dialogue. I've always wondered how un-L&H this
dialogue must have been.

B. T.
Mack A. Damia
2019-10-13 15:43:35 UTC
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BEst example of how tv stations would play anything in the 50's and
60's was a Spanish language UHF station running Fritz Lang's 1924
version of Die Niebelung/Siegfreid because it has a dragon in it.
Spanish language stations were channels 41 and 47, out of Newark if I recall
(or at least one of them was). In the early to mid-70s one of them would show silent Laurel and Hardy films (silents that never had sound version, like Big Business)) and add dubbed-in dialogue. I've always wondered how un-L&H this
dialogue must have been.
Yes, I recall some excellent films on TV in the 1950s and 1960s. I
actually recall staying up late one weekend night circa 1960 to watch
Fritz Lang's "Man Hunt", and I thought it was one terrific film, and I
wondered when I would see it again.

When cable came in, too, I recall that HBO played terrific flicks -
especially on a Sunday morning for some reason. Nothing like the crap
they repeatedly show now with their ridiculous sexed-up and violent
soap-opera style type of productions filmed overnight.

AMC used to be great. Good flicks with NO commercials.

The love of money and all that.....
Michael OConnor
2019-10-13 17:31:59 UTC
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I don't speak a lick of Spanish (the only Spanish I know I learned off the Taco Bell menu board) but I was channel surfing about 20 years back and came across "Pee Wee's Big Adventure" on I guess Telemundo, and figured I would give it 30 seconds of my time just to see how his voice sounded. They dubbed Pee Wee's talking voice (with a rather masculine sounding Hispanic voice, I might add) but whenever Pee Wee would do his signature "Ha! Ha!", or start making weird noises, or going "Lalala", they would not dub it and kept it in Pee Wee Herman's original voice. It was one of the funniest things I have ever seen, going back and forth between the dubbed and un-dubbed Pee Wee when he was talking. I was laughing so hard watching this, tears were coming out of my eyes.
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2020-05-19 01:06:22 UTC
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Hey,
Sometimes you just don't know how good you've got it. Growing up in Queens, NY in the post-World War II era, the television played movie after movie. The TV was down in the basement of a house whose family was at odds with itself and it was my sanctuary of sorts from the rancor and petty spats. What was great about the experience is that the movies played indiscriminately as the good, the bad and the ridiculous followed one another almost endlessly.
When Citizen Kane came on, it wasn't preceded by a guy in a suit going on about the importance of this or the significance of that. It was just another movie in a sea of movies. Although it stood out – so did numerous other films – sometimes I find the cult of personality surrounding Orson Welles as distressing as the slavish devotion critics have for what it a good film and that's about all. There is no need – on my part – to pick the film apart.
There is some other need being filled by what passes for passion in regards to this film. Damned if I know what it is.
BEst example of how tv stations would play anything in the 50's and 60's was a Spanish language UHF station running Fritz Lang's 1924 version of Die Niebelung/Siegfreid because it has a dragon in it.
In the NYC area it was a lot of 30's and 40's B films. One late night show called Hollywood's Finest would at times show foreign films.
Kane has three fine moments, other than that pretty thin. Ask a random film person who believes Kane to be great and you shouldn't expect much.
https://slate.com/human-interest/2011/05/orson-welles-citizen-kane-what-makes-it-the-best-film-ever-made.html
Poisoned Rose
2019-09-18 18:29:59 UTC
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There is some other need being filled by what passes for passion in
regards to this film. Damned if I know what it is.
What bugs me is how virtually every shot in the movie is utterly
mesmerizing, both as storytelling and as filmmaking. Why do people care
about that stuff?
Ant
2019-10-13 20:13:39 UTC
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I couldn't get into this old movie at all. :(
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Hey,
Sometimes you just don't know how good you've got it. Growing up in Queens, NY in the post-World War II era, the television played movie after movie. The TV was down in the basement of a house whose family was at odds with itself and it was my sanctuary of sorts from the rancor and petty spats. What was great about the experience is that the movies played indiscriminately as the good, the bad and the ridiculous followed one another almost endlessly.
When Citizen Kane came on, it wasn't preceded by a guy in a suit going on about the importance of this or the significance of that. It was just another movie in a sea of movies. Although it stood out ??? so did numerous other films ??? sometimes I find the cult of personality surrounding Orson Welles as distressing as the slavish devotion critics have for what it a good film and that's about all. There is no need ??? on my part ??? to pick the film apart.
There is some other need being filled by what passes for passion in regards to this film. Damned if I know what it is.
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2020-04-11 22:24:27 UTC
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Hey,
Sometimes you just don't know how good you've got it. Growing up in Queens, NY in the post-World War II era, the television played movie after movie. The TV was down in the basement of a house whose family was at odds with itself and it was my sanctuary of sorts from the rancor and petty spats. What was great about the experience is that the movies played indiscriminately as the good, the bad and the ridiculous followed one another almost endlessly.
When Citizen Kane came on, it wasn't preceded by a guy in a suit going on about the importance of this or the significance of that. It was just another movie in a sea of movies. Although it stood out – so did numerous other films – sometimes I find the cult of personality surrounding Orson Welles as distressing as the slavish devotion critics have for what it a good film and that's about all. There is no need – on my part – to pick the film apart.
There is some other need being filled by what passes for passion in regards to this film. Damned if I know what it is.
Read what Welles said about the music of C.K.:

https://books.google.com/books?id=u_g_uPZO-tkC&pg=PA320&dq=%22He+later+remarked+that+Herrmann+was+%2250+percent+responsible%22+for+the+success+of+Kane.%22&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiN-LL2suHoAhX0JzQIHb_DBWgQuwUwAHoECAEQBw#v=onepage&q=%22He%20later%20remarked%20that%20Herrmann%20was%20%2250%20percent%20responsible%22%20for%20the%20success%20of%20Kane.%22&f=false
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2020-04-16 10:00:07 UTC
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Hey,
Sometimes you just don't know how good you've got it. Growing up in Queens, NY in the post-World War II era, the television played movie after movie. The TV was down in the basement of a house whose family was at odds with itself and it was my sanctuary of sorts from the rancor and petty spats. What was great about the experience is that the movies played indiscriminately as the good, the bad and the ridiculous followed one another almost endlessly.
When Citizen Kane came on, it wasn't preceded by a guy in a suit going on about the importance of this or the significance of that. It was just another movie in a sea of movies. Although it stood out – so did numerous other films – sometimes I find the cult of personality surrounding Orson Welles as distressing as the slavish devotion critics have for what it a good film and that's about all. There is no need – on my part – to pick the film apart.
There is some other need being filled by what passes for passion in regards to this film. Damned if I know what it is.
https://books.google.com/books?id=u_g_uPZO-tkC&pg=PA320&dq=%22He+later+remarked+that+Herrmann+was+%2250+percent+responsible%22+for+the+success+of+Kane.%22&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiN-LL2suHoAhX0JzQIHb_DBWgQuwUwAHoECAEQBw#v=onepage&q=%22He%20later%20remarked%20that%20Herrmann%20was%20%2250%20percent%20responsible%22%20for%20the%20success%20of%20Kane.%22&f=false
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Bill Anderson
2020-04-16 20:25:01 UTC
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Thanks for that link. I had never seen that before. After viewing it I found this link which expands on the Trump interview.



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2020-04-14 05:23:21 UTC
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Hey,
Sometimes you just don't know how good you've got it. Growing up in Queens, NY in the post-World War II era, the television played movie after movie. The TV was down in the basement of a house whose family was at odds with itself and it was my sanctuary of sorts from the rancor and petty spats. What was great about the experience is that the movies played indiscriminately as the good, the bad and the ridiculous followed one another almost endlessly.
When Citizen Kane came on, it wasn't preceded by a guy in a suit going on about the importance of this or the significance of that. It was just another movie in a sea of movies. Although it stood out – so did numerous other films – sometimes I find the cult of personality surrounding Orson Welles as distressing as the slavish devotion critics have for what it a good film and that's about all. There is no need – on my part – to pick the film apart.
There is some other need being filled by what passes for passion in regards to this film. Damned if I know what it is.
http://www.asharperfocus.com/CitizenK.html
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2020-04-21 19:47:18 UTC
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Hey,
Sometimes you just don't know how good you've got it. Growing up in Queens, NY in the post-World War II era, the television played movie after movie. The TV was down in the basement of a house whose family was at odds with itself and it was my sanctuary of sorts from the rancor and petty spats. What was great about the experience is that the movies played indiscriminately as the good, the bad and the ridiculous followed one another almost endlessly.
When Citizen Kane came on, it wasn't preceded by a guy in a suit going on about the importance of this or the significance of that. It was just another movie in a sea of movies. Although it stood out – so did numerous other films – sometimes I find the cult of personality surrounding Orson Welles as distressing as the slavish devotion critics have for what it a good film and that's about all. There is no need – on my part – to pick the film apart.
There is some other need being filled by what passes for passion in regards to this film. Damned if I know what it is.
(Book devoted to C.K.):

https://global.oup.com/academic/product/orson-welless-citizen-kane-9780195158922?lang=en&cc=us
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