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The Gay Divorcee (1934)
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Mack A. Damia
2021-07-28 15:07:45 UTC
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Never grows old, an Astaire/Rogers classic with captivating music.

Questions:

1. Why does the camera pan to a close-up shot of Eric Blore's
backside for several seconds (much too long) when he is serving a
table?

2. Why didn't "Night and Day" win an Oscar rather than the "The
Continental" for that year? (Easy question if you know the answer)

Now for something ridiculous:

TCM has hired a two-bit astrologer, who looks like a horse's ass, to
espouse her knowledge on the film stars' astrological signs in various
movies. Her name is Susan Miller.

Last night she talked about Astaire and Rogers and how the stars and
planets showed that they were meant to be together. What rot.

https://www.tcm.com/articles/Programming%20Article/021392/spotlight-star-signs-with-susan-miller

If you do a Google search on "Carl Sagan, Astrology", results are a
quote where he denounces astrology and spotlights its unscientific
disrepute - followed by a half dozen sites revealing Sagan's astrology
and birth chart. Ignorance knows no bounds.

Beware of magical thinking.
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2021-07-28 19:56:13 UTC
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Post by Mack A. Damia
Never grows old, an Astaire/Rogers classic with captivating music.
1. Why does the camera pan to a close-up shot of Eric Blore's
backside for several seconds (much too long) when he is serving a
table?
2. Why didn't "Night and Day" win an Oscar rather than the "The
Continental" for that year? (Easy question if you know the answer)
TCM has hired a two-bit astrologer, who looks like a horse's ass, to
espouse her knowledge on the film stars' astrological signs in various
movies. Her name is Susan Miller.
Last night she talked about Astaire and Rogers and how the stars and
planets showed that they were meant to be together. What rot.
https://www.tcm.com/articles/Programming%20Article/021392/spotlight-star-signs-with-susan-miller
If you do a Google search on "Carl Sagan, Astrology", results are a
quote where he denounces astrology and spotlights its unscientific
disrepute - followed by a half dozen sites revealing Sagan's astrology
and birth chart. Ignorance knows no bounds.
Beware of magical thinking.
(Youtube upload):

FRED ASTAIRE AND GINGER ROGERS: THE EARLY YEARS
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2021-07-30 21:27:51 UTC
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Post by Mack A. Damia
Never grows old, an Astaire/Rogers classic with captivating music.
1. Why does the camera pan to a close-up shot of Eric Blore's
backside for several seconds (much too long) when he is serving a
table?
2. Why didn't "Night and Day" win an Oscar rather than the "The
Continental" for that year? (Easy question if you know the answer)
TCM has hired a two-bit astrologer, who looks like a horse's ass, to
espouse her knowledge on the film stars' astrological signs in various
movies. Her name is Susan Miller.
Last night she talked about Astaire and Rogers and how the stars and
planets showed that they were meant to be together. What rot.
https://www.tcm.com/articles/Programming%20Article/021392/spotlight-star-signs-with-susan-miller
If you do a Google search on "Carl Sagan, Astrology", results are a
quote where he denounces astrology and spotlights its unscientific
disrepute - followed by a half dozen sites revealing Sagan's astrology
and birth chart. Ignorance knows no bounds.
Beware of magical thinking.
(YOUTUBE UPLOAD):

Obsessive Fred Astaire/Ginger Rogers Reviews: #2 the Gay Divorcee
Mack A. Damia
2021-07-30 22:12:38 UTC
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Post by Mack A. Damia
Never grows old, an Astaire/Rogers classic with captivating music.
1. Why does the camera pan to a close-up shot of Eric Blore's
backside for several seconds (much too long) when he is serving a
table?
2. Why didn't "Night and Day" win an Oscar rather than the "The
Continental" for that year? (Easy question if you know the answer)
TCM has hired a two-bit astrologer, who looks like a horse's ass, to
espouse her knowledge on the film stars' astrological signs in various
movies. Her name is Susan Miller.
Last night she talked about Astaire and Rogers and how the stars and
planets showed that they were meant to be together. What rot.
https://www.tcm.com/articles/Programming%20Article/021392/spotlight-star-signs-with-susan-miller
If you do a Google search on "Carl Sagan, Astrology", results are a
quote where he denounces astrology and spotlights its unscientific
disrepute - followed by a half dozen sites revealing Sagan's astrology
and birth chart. Ignorance knows no bounds.
Beware of magical thinking.
Obsessive Fred Astaire/Ginger Rogers Reviews: #2 the Gay Divorcee
I never saw Tonetti as being gay. Maybe wishful thinking?

Don't know why the cameraman was obsessed with Eric Blore's backside.

"Night and Day" was written by Cole Porter for the stage version of
The Gay Divorcee. "The Continental" was written by others
specifically for the film. That's why "Night and Day" couldn't be
nominated for an Oscar. And, it would have won.
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2021-07-31 22:33:47 UTC
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Post by Mack A. Damia
Never grows old, an Astaire/Rogers classic with captivating music.
1. Why does the camera pan to a close-up shot of Eric Blore's
backside for several seconds (much too long) when he is serving a
table?
2. Why didn't "Night and Day" win an Oscar rather than the "The
Continental" for that year? (Easy question if you know the answer)
TCM has hired a two-bit astrologer, who looks like a horse's ass, to
espouse her knowledge on the film stars' astrological signs in various
movies. Her name is Susan Miller.
Last night she talked about Astaire and Rogers and how the stars and
planets showed that they were meant to be together. What rot.
https://www.tcm.com/articles/Programming%20Article/021392/spotlight-star-signs-with-susan-miller
If you do a Google search on "Carl Sagan, Astrology", results are a
quote where he denounces astrology and spotlights its unscientific
disrepute - followed by a half dozen sites revealing Sagan's astrology
and birth chart. Ignorance knows no bounds.
Beware of magical thinking.
Obsessive Fred Astaire/Ginger Rogers Reviews: #2 the Gay Divorcee
I never saw Tonetti as being gay. Maybe wishful thinking?
Don't know why the cameraman was obsessed with Eric Blore's backside.
"Night and Day" was written by Cole Porter for the stage version of
The Gay Divorcee. "The Continental" was written by others
specifically for the film. That's why "Night and Day" couldn't be
nominated for an Oscar. And, it would have won.
(Youtube upload):

THE GAY DIVORCEE, Mark Sandrich, 1934 - The Continental, Best Original Song (First Academy Award)
Mack A. Damia
2021-07-31 23:11:23 UTC
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Post by Mack A. Damia
Never grows old, an Astaire/Rogers classic with captivating music.
1. Why does the camera pan to a close-up shot of Eric Blore's
backside for several seconds (much too long) when he is serving a
table?
2. Why didn't "Night and Day" win an Oscar rather than the "The
Continental" for that year? (Easy question if you know the answer)
TCM has hired a two-bit astrologer, who looks like a horse's ass, to
espouse her knowledge on the film stars' astrological signs in various
movies. Her name is Susan Miller.
Last night she talked about Astaire and Rogers and how the stars and
planets showed that they were meant to be together. What rot.
https://www.tcm.com/articles/Programming%20Article/021392/spotlight-star-signs-with-susan-miller
If you do a Google search on "Carl Sagan, Astrology", results are a
quote where he denounces astrology and spotlights its unscientific
disrepute - followed by a half dozen sites revealing Sagan's astrology
and birth chart. Ignorance knows no bounds.
Beware of magical thinking.
Obsessive Fred Astaire/Ginger Rogers Reviews: #2 the Gay Divorcee
I never saw Tonetti as being gay. Maybe wishful thinking?
Don't know why the cameraman was obsessed with Eric Blore's backside.
"Night and Day" was written by Cole Porter for the stage version of
The Gay Divorcee. "The Continental" was written by others
specifically for the film. That's why "Night and Day" couldn't be
nominated for an Oscar. And, it would have won.
THE GAY DIVORCEE, Mark Sandrich, 1934 - The Continental, Best Original Song (First Academy Award)
Night and Day


Misquotation: “Backwards and in high heels”

"The comment that the dancer Ginger Rogers did everything that her
partner Fred Astaire did, but ‘backwards and in high heels’ and
therefore with extra difficulty, is often attributed to Rogers
herself. Rogers, however, denied it, although she recounted an
anecdote which gave force to the expression. In her autobiography My
Story (1991), she said that she generally practiced in low heels, and
changed to higher heels when filming. When choreographing 'Smoke Gets
in Your Eyes’, Fred Astaire forgot that she would be wearing high
heels. As a result, trying to achieve 'a backwards three-step
turn-jump up the stairs, she nearly lost her balance. She believed,
though, that the actual line was the coinage of the cartoonist Bob
Thaves."

"Years after the near-fall she described, a friend sent her a cartoon
by Bob Thaves, in his 'Frank and Ernest’ series, from a Los Angeles
newspaper. In the cartoon (which certainly popularized if it did not
originate the saying), Frank and Ernest are shown gazing at a
billboard announcing a Fred Astaire film festival. The caption reads:
'Sure he was great, but don't forget that Ginger Rogers did everything
he did…backwards and in high heels.’

From the Oxford Dictionary of Quotations.

Actually, if you watch them dance, she did not do very much
"backwards". They danced more "side-by-side". And high heels are
fairly easy to get used to. They were a great dancing couple and they
danced as such.
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2021-08-01 15:30:28 UTC
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Post by Mack A. Damia
Never grows old, an Astaire/Rogers classic with captivating music.
1. Why does the camera pan to a close-up shot of Eric Blore's
backside for several seconds (much too long) when he is serving a
table?
2. Why didn't "Night and Day" win an Oscar rather than the "The
Continental" for that year? (Easy question if you know the answer)
TCM has hired a two-bit astrologer, who looks like a horse's ass, to
espouse her knowledge on the film stars' astrological signs in various
movies. Her name is Susan Miller.
Last night she talked about Astaire and Rogers and how the stars and
planets showed that they were meant to be together. What rot.
https://www.tcm.com/articles/Programming%20Article/021392/spotlight-star-signs-with-susan-miller
If you do a Google search on "Carl Sagan, Astrology", results are a
quote where he denounces astrology and spotlights its unscientific
disrepute - followed by a half dozen sites revealing Sagan's astrology
and birth chart. Ignorance knows no bounds.
Beware of magical thinking.
Obsessive Fred Astaire/Ginger Rogers Reviews: #2 the Gay Divorcee
I never saw Tonetti as being gay. Maybe wishful thinking?
Don't know why the cameraman was obsessed with Eric Blore's backside.
"Night and Day" was written by Cole Porter for the stage version of
The Gay Divorcee. "The Continental" was written by others
specifically for the film. That's why "Night and Day" couldn't be
nominated for an Oscar. And, it would have won.
THE GAY DIVORCEE, Mark Sandrich, 1934 - The Continental, Best Original Song (First Academy Award)
Night and Day
http://youtu.be/D8zHylVk7S0
Misquotation: “Backwards and in high heels”
"The comment that the dancer Ginger Rogers did everything that her
partner Fred Astaire did, but ‘backwards and in high heels’ and
therefore with extra difficulty, is often attributed to Rogers
herself. Rogers, however, denied it, although she recounted an
anecdote which gave force to the expression. In her autobiography My
Story (1991), she said that she generally practiced in low heels, and
changed to higher heels when filming. When choreographing 'Smoke Gets
in Your Eyes’, Fred Astaire forgot that she would be wearing high
heels. As a result, trying to achieve 'a backwards three-step
turn-jump up the stairs, she nearly lost her balance. She believed,
though, that the actual line was the coinage of the cartoonist Bob
Thaves."
"Years after the near-fall she described, a friend sent her a cartoon
by Bob Thaves, in his 'Frank and Ernest’ series, from a Los Angeles
newspaper. In the cartoon (which certainly popularized if it did not
originate the saying), Frank and Ernest are shown gazing at a
'Sure he was great, but don't forget that Ginger Rogers did everything
he did…backwards and in high heels.’
From the Oxford Dictionary of Quotations.
Actually, if you watch them dance, she did not do very much
"backwards". They danced more "side-by-side". And high heels are
fairly easy to get used to. They were a great dancing couple and they
danced as such.
(Youtube upload):

When Movies Were Good, Episode 13: Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers
Mack A. Damia
2021-08-01 15:39:05 UTC
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Never grows old, an Astaire/Rogers classic with captivating music.
1. Why does the camera pan to a close-up shot of Eric Blore's
backside for several seconds (much too long) when he is serving a
table?
2. Why didn't "Night and Day" win an Oscar rather than the "The
Continental" for that year? (Easy question if you know the answer)
TCM has hired a two-bit astrologer, who looks like a horse's ass, to
espouse her knowledge on the film stars' astrological signs in various
movies. Her name is Susan Miller.
Last night she talked about Astaire and Rogers and how the stars and
planets showed that they were meant to be together. What rot.
https://www.tcm.com/articles/Programming%20Article/021392/spotlight-star-signs-with-susan-miller
If you do a Google search on "Carl Sagan, Astrology", results are a
quote where he denounces astrology and spotlights its unscientific
disrepute - followed by a half dozen sites revealing Sagan's astrology
and birth chart. Ignorance knows no bounds.
Beware of magical thinking.
Obsessive Fred Astaire/Ginger Rogers Reviews: #2 the Gay Divorcee
I never saw Tonetti as being gay. Maybe wishful thinking?
Don't know why the cameraman was obsessed with Eric Blore's backside.
"Night and Day" was written by Cole Porter for the stage version of
The Gay Divorcee. "The Continental" was written by others
specifically for the film. That's why "Night and Day" couldn't be
nominated for an Oscar. And, it would have won.
THE GAY DIVORCEE, Mark Sandrich, 1934 - The Continental, Best Original Song (First Academy Award)
Night and Day
http://youtu.be/D8zHylVk7S0
Misquotation: “Backwards and in high heels”
"The comment that the dancer Ginger Rogers did everything that her
partner Fred Astaire did, but ‘backwards and in high heels’ and
therefore with extra difficulty, is often attributed to Rogers
herself. Rogers, however, denied it, although she recounted an
anecdote which gave force to the expression. In her autobiography My
Story (1991), she said that she generally practiced in low heels, and
changed to higher heels when filming. When choreographing 'Smoke Gets
in Your Eyes’, Fred Astaire forgot that she would be wearing high
heels. As a result, trying to achieve 'a backwards three-step
turn-jump up the stairs, she nearly lost her balance. She believed,
though, that the actual line was the coinage of the cartoonist Bob
Thaves."
"Years after the near-fall she described, a friend sent her a cartoon
by Bob Thaves, in his 'Frank and Ernest’ series, from a Los Angeles
newspaper. In the cartoon (which certainly popularized if it did not
originate the saying), Frank and Ernest are shown gazing at a
'Sure he was great, but don't forget that Ginger Rogers did everything
he did…backwards and in high heels.’
From the Oxford Dictionary of Quotations.
Actually, if you watch them dance, she did not do very much
"backwards". They danced more "side-by-side". And high heels are
fairly easy to get used to. They were a great dancing couple and they
danced as such.
When Movies Were Good, Episode 13: Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers
After Fred died, Ginger got bitter and said some unkind things about
him.

Something about that he didn't give her enough credit and was a task
master during rehearsals. He wasn't particularly kind to her.

Article:

ON THE screen they appeared besotted with each other but, as a new
book reveals, Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers were consumed by
conflict, envy and mistrust - By NEIL NORMAN

https://www.express.co.uk/expressyourself/138076/Fred-and-Ginger-The-truth
Adam H. Kerman
2021-08-01 21:11:30 UTC
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Post by Mack A. Damia
After Fred died, Ginger got bitter and said some unkind things about
him.
Something about that he didn't give her enough credit and was a task
master during rehearsals. He wasn't particularly kind to her. . . .
Oh, c'mon. Rehearsals aren't "kind". Everyone has always said the lead
dancer or choreographer is a taskmaster. Same thing was said about Gene
Kelly.
Adam H. Kerman
2021-08-02 01:37:07 UTC
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Post by Mack A. Damia
After Fred died, Ginger got bitter and said some unkind things about
him.
Something about that he didn't give her enough credit and was a task
master during rehearsals. He wasn't particularly kind to her. . . .
Oh, c'mon. Rehearsals aren't "kind". Everyone has always said the lead
dancer or choreographer is a taskmaster. Same thing was said about Gene
Kelly.
All I know is that Ginger had some unkind remarks about Fred after he
died. That's my point.
I have no idea how he actually treated her.
I'm disputing her expectations of a rehearsal.
Mack A. Damia
2021-08-02 16:56:31 UTC
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Post by Mack A. Damia
After Fred died, Ginger got bitter and said some unkind things about
him.
Something about that he didn't give her enough credit and was a task
master during rehearsals. He wasn't particularly kind to her. . . .
Oh, c'mon. Rehearsals aren't "kind". Everyone has always said the lead
dancer or choreographer is a taskmaster. Same thing was said about Gene
Kelly.
All I know is that Ginger had some unkind remarks about Fred after he
died. That's my point.
I have no idea how he actually treated her.
I'm disputing her expectations of a rehearsal.
You must realize that she was elderly when she made the comments, and
her better days in film were long-gone.

Too much free time on her hands, too many memories, and maybe not
enough "glory"? She was 83 years old when she died in 1995. She must
have felt that Fred got more acclaim than she did.

Did Fred choreograph the routines? I think he did. He collaborated
with Hermes Pan (1910 - 1990).

You know how older people complain. Just ask my housekeeper.
Mack A. Damia
2021-08-02 19:55:46 UTC
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Post by Mack A. Damia
After Fred died, Ginger got bitter and said some unkind things about
him.
Something about that he didn't give her enough credit and was a task
master during rehearsals. He wasn't particularly kind to her. . . .
Oh, c'mon. Rehearsals aren't "kind". Everyone has always said the lead
dancer or choreographer is a taskmaster. Same thing was said about Gene
Kelly.
All I know is that Ginger had some unkind remarks about Fred after he
died. That's my point.
I have no idea how he actually treated her.
I'm disputing her expectations of a rehearsal.
You must realize that she was elderly when she made the comments, and
her better days in film were long-gone.
Too much free time on her hands, too many memories, and maybe not
enough "glory"? She was 83 years old when she died in 1995. She must
have felt that Fred got more acclaim than she did.
There aren't too many movie pairings from the 1930s remembered as fondly
as Fred and Ginger decades later. I don't think she was denied acclaim.
Those movies weren't beloved for their scripts!
Nobody wants to spoil a money-making fairly tale - especially
Hollywood. I recall reading about Ginger's criticisms of Fred after
he died, but I have yet to find anything. I remember thinking, "sour
grapes". I will keep looking. But much that was said about them,
especially in a negative light, was dreamt up by the publicity
department to keep them in the news, but Ginger's comments were said
much later.

Also, she died over twenty-five years ago. Details of her
relationship with Astaire have been blurred and distorted - and I
really don't recall the details of what I read many years ago.
Post by Mack A. Damia
Did Fred choreograph the routines? I think he did. He collaborated
with Hermes Pan (1910 - 1990).
You know how older people complain. Just ask my housekeeper.
Hah!
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