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Tarantino: Idea Thief
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Agent Smith
2007-10-22 19:28:49 UTC
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I thought Quentin Tarantino was so smart for giving his characters clever
names in "Reservoir Dogs." It turns out that he just stole that angle from
"The Taking of Pelham 1-2-3." :(
Martin Koolhoven
2007-10-22 20:06:05 UTC
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I thought Quentin Tarantino was so smart for giving his characters clever
names in "Reservoir Dogs." It turns out that he just stole that angle from
"The Taking of Pelham 1-2-3." :(
That's nothing:
http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=5315508693117048425&q=who+fooling+tarantino&total=11&start=0&num=100&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
Agent Smith
2007-10-24 21:15:18 UTC
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I thought Quentin Tarantino was so smart for giving his characters
clever names in "Reservoir Dogs." It turns out that he just stole
that angle from "The Taking of Pelham 1-2-3." :(
http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=5315508693117048425&q=who+foolin
g+tarantino&total=11&start=0&num=100&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
For some reason I can't play that. :(
Richard Brooks
2007-10-25 06:57:53 UTC
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I thought Quentin Tarantino was so smart for giving his characters
clever names in "Reservoir Dogs." It turns out that he just stole
that angle from "The Taking of Pelham 1-2-3." :(
http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=5315508693117048425&q=who+foolin
g+tarantino&total=11&start=0&num=100&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
For some reason I can't play that. :(
Putting chevrons around the URL notifies some newsreaders not to line
wrap therefore breaking it.
<http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=5315508693117048425&q=who+fooling+tarantino&total=11&start=0&num=100&so=0&type=search&plindex=0>
Agent Smith
2007-10-25 19:14:30 UTC
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I thought Quentin Tarantino was so smart for giving his characters
clever names in "Reservoir Dogs." It turns out that he just stole
that angle from "The Taking of Pelham 1-2-3." :(
http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=5315508693117048425
&q=who+fool
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in g+tarantino&total=11&start=0&num=100&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
For some reason I can't play that. :(
Putting chevrons around the URL notifies some newsreaders not to line
wrap therefore breaking it.
<http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=5315508693117048425
&q=who+fooli
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ng+tarantino&total=11&start=0&num=100&so=0&type=search&plindex=0>
It's not that. Youtube is giving me lots of errors lately, saying that
I can't play many of their videos. It tells me to install the newest
Flash Player, which I did, to no effect. It also says something about
JavaScript, which I made sure is turned on. I've probably configured my
system to refuse certain video files with "active content," but without
a better error message, I don't know which setting to change. I even
tried disabling my firewall nd my AV software, but I can't get those
danged things to play. :(
Martin Koolhoven
2007-10-26 12:24:07 UTC
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I thought Quentin Tarantino was so smart for giving his characters
clever names in "Reservoir Dogs." It turns out that he just stole
that angle from "The Taking of Pelham 1-2-3." :(
http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=5315508693117048425&q=who+foolin
g+tarantino&total=11&start=0&num=100&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
For some reason I can't play that. :(
And this?

Agent Smith
2007-10-26 17:20:53 UTC
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I thought Quentin Tarantino was so smart for giving his characters
clever names in "Reservoir Dogs." It turns out that he just stole
that angle from "The Taking of Pelham 1-2-3." :(
http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=5315508693117048425
&q=who+fool
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g+tarantino&total=11&start=0&num=100&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
For some reason I can't play that. :(
And this?
http://youtu.be/ScR6_l2-Fmk
Very enlightening. I never knew he was that blatant. Every day I lose
moe and more respect for the guy. :(
s***@hotmail.com
2007-10-22 20:21:15 UTC
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I thought Quentin Tarantino was so smart for giving his characters clever
names in "Reservoir Dogs." It turns out that he just stole that angle from
"The Taking of Pelham 1-2-3." :(
what the fuck is wrong with this endogamic piece of shit of an ng,
full of idiots with no knowledge, experience and life of past films?
more on that when i publish my sociological study of it with my second
wave of film-these-twirps-have-never-heard-of.

http://imdb.com/title/tt0451984/

http://imdb.com/title/tt0451987/

http://imdb.com/title/tt0451788/

http://imdb.com/title/tt0451930/

http://imdb.com/title/tt0071424/

http://imdb.com/title/tt0076637/

http://imdb.com/title/tt0073896/

http://imdb.com/title/tt0095649/

http://imdb.com/title/tt0118339/

and, oih lord, we wouldn't want that in our garden would we, otherwise
we'd start quoting hegel and the MPAA instead of schickel, harkness
and involving the likes of george peatty in conversations (what is it
sloterdijk says about heidegger and sartre at the end of his first
spheres?)
Harkness
2007-10-25 13:32:23 UTC
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I thought Quentin Tarantino was so smart for giving his characters clever
names in "Reservoir Dogs." It turns out that he just stole that angle from
"The Taking of Pelham 1-2-3." :(
Yes and no.

Ummm...

Let's see. Tarantino is a magpie -- he steals from everyone, and that
one bothers you?

John Harkness
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2007-10-26 19:35:43 UTC
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Post by Agent Smith
I thought Quentin Tarantino was so smart for giving his characters clever
names in "Reservoir Dogs." It turns out that he just stole that angle from
"The Taking of Pelham 1-2-3." :(
Yes and no.
Ummm...
Let's see. Tarantino is a magpie -- he steals from everyone, and that
one bothers you?
Isn't it the rule that you're supposed to steal from the best?
Harkness
2007-10-26 20:11:43 UTC
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Post by Agent Smith
I thought Quentin Tarantino was so smart for giving his characters clever
names in "Reservoir Dogs." It turns out that he just stole that angle from
"The Taking of Pelham 1-2-3." :(
Yes and no.
Ummm...
Let's see. Tarantino is a magpie -- he steals from everyone, and that
one bothers you?
Isn't it the rule that you're supposed to steal from the best?
It's a lovely principle, but Tarantino has proven time and again that
he has no idea what "the best" is -- he really has no discrimination
whatsoever.

John Harkness
Agent Smith
2007-10-26 22:32:51 UTC
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I thought Quentin Tarantino was so smart for giving his
characters clever names in "Reservoir Dogs." It turns out that
he just stole that angle from "The Taking of Pelham 1-2-3." :(
Yes and no.
Ummm...
Let's see. Tarantino is a magpie -- he steals from everyone, and
that one bothers you?
Isn't it the rule that you're supposed to steal from the best?
It's a lovely principle, but Tarantino has proven time and again that
he has no idea what "the best" is -- he really has no discrimination
whatsoever.
Jackie Brown was really good, and Pulp Fiction quite interesting. I
think that when he stole them, he *was* stealing from the best. JB was
a classic film noir, and Pulp Fiction reminded me of Repo Man. I know
I've seen a precedent for tough guys driving around talking about
everyday shit, but I can't remember where he got it from.

I'm not even going to waste my time on Kill Bill or Grindhouse, because
I think he's grossly overrated. :(
Michael O'Connor
2007-10-27 03:51:45 UTC
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Tarantino is a master of taking concepts and gimmicks from other
movies and cutting and pasting it together and slapping on a 70's
soundtrack and some hip dialogue and passing it off as an original
work. His first three movies were all quite good, but I didn't care
for Kill Bill.
Agent Smith
2007-10-27 23:07:51 UTC
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Tarantino is a master of taking concepts and gimmicks from other
movies and cutting and pasting it together and slapping on a 70's
soundtrack and some hip dialogue and passing it off as an original
work. His first three movies were all quite good, but I didn't care
for Kill Bill.
That's known as derivative work, and it's typically ok. There's no big
problem with formula writing if you apply the formula correctly. As the
Greeks said, there are only seven stories, although I have yet to enumerate
all of them. Star Wars and Raiders of the Lost Ark were both highly
derivative, and they were Lucas's only decent (post-Vietnam) work. Plenty
of other stuff is derivative, and my two favorite genres are slapstick and
film noir, although it's dang near impossible to find good slapstick
anywhere. :(
AZ Nomad
2007-10-28 00:39:48 UTC
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I thought Quentin Tarantino was so smart for giving his characters clever
names in "Reservoir Dogs." It turns out that he just stole that angle from
"The Taking of Pelham 1-2-3." :(
It's worse than that. Reservoir dogs had a heist with some crooks showing up
well armed to steal some diamonds. I'm pretty sure Quentin Tarantino didn't invent
the jewel heist. The plagarizing bastard!
Michael O'Connor
2007-10-28 04:41:21 UTC
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I thought Quentin Tarantino was so smart for giving his characters clever
names in "Reservoir Dogs." It turns out that he just stole that angle from
"The Taking of Pelham 1-2-3." :(
It's worse than that. Reservoir dogs had a heist with some crooks showing up
well armed to steal some diamonds. I'm pretty sure Quentin Tarantino didn't invent
the jewel heist. The plagarizing bastard!
I don't have a problem with borrowing from films, but when it becomes
you claim to fame many people will think it's a crutch you use because
you can't come up with something fresh and different. DePalma is
another director who forever borrows from classic films; I don't care
for his style and The Untouchables was the only movie of his I liked.
I think Tarantino needs to stretch his talent and perhaps try
something different than making B-type movie plots with A list actors
and washed up 70's B grade actors; maybe try a comedy, or sci-fi.

Martin Scorcese is generally known for his gangster/crime movies like
Tarantino, but Scorcese has also dabbled in just about every genre
including a movie about Jesus, a concert film, a Michael Jackson music
video, a biopic of Howard Hughes, a 19th century historical epic and a
love story set in the 19th century, a musical, comedy, and a feminist
movie that was adapted into a crappy 70's sitcom. I think sci-fi and
western are the only genres Scorcese hasn't worked in, and I would
love to see him take a whack at them sometime.
Agent Smith
2007-10-28 09:13:47 UTC
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On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:28:49 GMT, Agent Smith
Post by Agent Smith
I thought Quentin Tarantino was so smart for giving his characters
clever names in "Reservoir Dogs." It turns out that he just stole
that angle from "The Taking of Pelham 1-2-3." :(
It's worse than that. Reservoir dogs had a heist with some crooks
showing up well armed to steal some diamonds. I'm pretty sure
Quentin Tarantino didn't invent the jewel heist. The plagarizing
bastard!
I don't have a problem with borrowing from films, but when it becomes
you claim to fame many people will think it's a crutch you use because
you can't come up with something fresh and different. DePalma is
another director who forever borrows from classic films; I don't care
for his style and The Untouchables was the only movie of his I liked.
I think Tarantino needs to stretch his talent and perhaps try
something different than making B-type movie plots with A list actors
and washed up 70's B grade actors; maybe try a comedy, or sci-fi.
They're out of his genere, and I don't think that he has much of a sense
of humor. SF movies weren't in the grindhouse in the seventies, so
Tarantino has no clue what the formula might be. All he ever watched
was kung fu, horror and the occasional blaxploitation, so that's the
entire library he has to draw on.
Post by Michael O'Connor
Martin Scorcese is generally known for his gangster/crime movies like
Tarantino, but Scorcese has also dabbled in just about every genre
including a movie about Jesus, a concert film, a Michael Jackson music
video, a biopic of Howard Hughes, a 19th century historical epic and a
love story set in the 19th century, a musical, comedy, and a feminist
movie that was adapted into a crappy 70's sitcom. I think sci-fi and
western are the only genres Scorcese hasn't worked in, and I would
love to see him take a whack at them sometime.
Comparing Tatantino to Scorsese is like comparing spoiled food to fine
french cuisine. :) Tarantino is a one-note Johnny.
Michael O'Connor
2007-10-28 23:57:51 UTC
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Comparing Tatantino to Scorsese is like comparing spoiled food to fine
french cuisine. :) Tarantino is a one-note Johnny.
Yes, but I was making a point that you can be best known as a director
who makes crime and gangster films, but still manage to flesh out your
resume with an eclectic mix of movies. Tarantino would rather re-
create 70's B cinema than take genuine risks.
Magnus, Robot Fighter
2007-10-29 23:23:27 UTC
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Post by Agent Smith
Comparing Tatantino to Scorsese is like comparing spoiled food to fine
french cuisine. :) Tarantino is a one-note Johnny.
Yes, but I was making a point that you can be best known as a director
who makes crime and gangster films, but still manage to flesh out your
resume with an eclectic mix of movies. Tarantino would rather re-
create 70's B cinema than take genuine risks.
I think the point was there's only one Scorcese...you really can't
compare someone like Tarantino to him.
Wull
2007-10-29 22:38:19 UTC
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Scorsese is not French, they are both Italian. Since you are calling
Tarentino spoiled food, you must be a food expert?
While French is unquestionably good, some people prefer Italian food.

I have seen only a few Tarentino movies and I think most of them were quite
a success.
I missed earlier posts on this subject so I assume that you are comparing
their directorship ability? One has considerably more experience but the
other shows promise. Both being Italian is a good point in their favor.

What was the stolen idea?

Wull
Post by Magnus, Robot Fighter
On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 16:57:51 -0700, Michael O'Connor
Post by Michael O'Connor
Post by Agent Smith
Comparing Tatantino to Scorsese is like comparing spoiled food to fine
french cuisine. :) Tarantino is a one-note Johnny.
Yes, but I was making a point that you can be best known as a director
who makes crime and gangster films, but still manage to flesh out your
resume with an eclectic mix of movies. Tarantino would rather re-
create 70's B cinema than take genuine risks.
I think the point was there's only one Scorcese...you really can't
compare someone like Tarantino to him.
Agent Smith
2007-10-30 14:08:54 UTC
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On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 16:57:51 -0700, Michael O'Connor
Post by Michael O'Connor
Post by Agent Smith
Comparing Tatantino to Scorsese is like comparing spoiled food to
fine french cuisine. :) Tarantino is a one-note Johnny.
Yes, but I was making a point that you can be best known as a director
who makes crime and gangster films, but still manage to flesh out your
resume with an eclectic mix of movies. Tarantino would rather re-
create 70's B cinema than take genuine risks.
I think the point was there's only one Scorcese...you really can't
compare someone like Tarantino to him.
"You took the words right out of my mouth."
-- Meat Loaf
Tris Orendorff
2007-10-30 22:00:53 UTC
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They're out of his genere, and I don't think that he has much of a sense
of humor. SF movies weren't in the grindhouse in the seventies, so
Tarantino has no clue what the formula might be. All he ever watched
was kung fu, horror and the occasional blaxploitation, so that's the
entire library he has to draw on.
He watches westerns too. He has said that "Rio Bravo" is one of his favorite movies.
--
Tris Orendorff
[ Anyone naming their child should spend a few minutes checking rhyming slang and dodgy sounding
names. Brad and Angelina failed to do this when naming their kid Shiloh Pitt. At some point, someone at
school is going to spoonerise her name.
Craig Stark]
Agent Smith
2007-10-31 18:25:32 UTC
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They're out of his genere, and I don't think that he has much of a
sense of humor. SF movies weren't in the grindhouse in the
seventies, so Tarantino has no clue what the formula might be. All
he ever watched was kung fu, horror and the occasional
blaxploitation, so that's the entire library he has to draw on.
He watches westerns too. He has said that "Rio Bravo" is one of his favorite movies.
I wonder if he knows how gay that is. :)
l***@my-deja.com
2007-11-01 15:00:56 UTC
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Post by Michael O'Connor
On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:28:49 GMT, Agent Smith
Post by Agent Smith
I thought Quentin Tarantino was so smart for giving his characters
clever names in "Reservoir Dogs." It turns out that he just stole
that angle from "The Taking of Pelham 1-2-3." :(
It's worse than that. Reservoir dogs had a heist with some crooks
showing up well armed to steal some diamonds. I'm pretty sure
Quentin Tarantino didn't invent the jewel heist. The plagarizing
bastard!
I don't have a problem with borrowing from films, but when it becomes
you claim to fame many people will think it's a crutch you use because
you can't come up with something fresh and different. DePalma is
another director who forever borrows from classic films; I don't care
for his style and The Untouchables was the only movie of his I liked.
I think Tarantino needs to stretch his talent and perhaps try
something different than making B-type movie plots with A list actors
and washed up 70's B grade actors; maybe try a comedy, or sci-fi.
They're out of his genere, and I don't think that he has much of a sense
of humor. SF movies weren't in the grindhouse in the seventies, so
Tarantino has no clue what the formula might be.
I can assure you I saw plenty of sci-fi movies in grindhouse theaters
in the '60s, '70s, and '80s.
To name a few:
ROBINSON CRUSOE ON MARS, PLANET OF THE VAMPIRES, FIVE MILLION YEARS TO
EARTH, WESTWORLD, FUTUREWORLD, THE OMEGA MAN, BATTLE BEYOND THE STARS,
ELIMINATORS, etc.

And I'll take Tarantino's derivative-ness over George Lucas's anyday.
Agent Smith
2007-11-01 19:51:35 UTC
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Post by Michael O'Connor
On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:28:49 GMT, Agent Smith
Post by Agent Smith
I thought Quentin Tarantino was so smart for giving his
characters clever names in "Reservoir Dogs." It turns out that
he just stole that angle from "The Taking of Pelham 1-2-3." :(
It's worse than that. Reservoir dogs had a heist with some crooks
showing up well armed to steal some diamonds. I'm pretty sure
Quentin Tarantino didn't invent the jewel heist. The plagarizing
bastard!
I don't have a problem with borrowing from films, but when it
becomes you claim to fame many people will think it's a crutch you
use because you can't come up with something fresh and different.
DePalma is another director who forever borrows from classic films;
I don't care for his style and The Untouchables was the only movie
of his I liked. I think Tarantino needs to stretch his talent and
perhaps try something different than making B-type movie plots with
A list actors and washed up 70's B grade actors; maybe try a
comedy, or sci-fi.
They're out of his genere, and I don't think that he has much of a
sense of humor. SF movies weren't in the grindhouse in the
seventies, so Tarantino has no clue what the formula might be.
I can assure you I saw plenty of sci-fi movies in grindhouse theaters
in the '60s, '70s, and '80s.
ROBINSON CRUSOE ON MARS, PLANET OF THE VAMPIRES, FIVE MILLION YEARS TO
EARTH, WESTWORLD, FUTUREWORLD, THE OMEGA MAN, BATTLE BEYOND THE STARS,
ELIMINATORS, etc.
And I'll take Tarantino's derivative-ness over George Lucas's anyday.
Yeah, me too, but Tarantino and Lucas are both a couple of fools who got
too big for thei britches. However, of the movies you listed, four are
not grindhouse films (Five Million Years To Earth, Westworld,
Futureworld and The Omega Man), three are probably not (Robinson Crusoe
On Mars, Planet Of The Vampires and Battle Beyond The Stars), leqvig
only one bona fide b-film in the lot (Eliminators). I think you need to
do a little homework on what precisely constitutes a "grindhouse" film.
?:p~
l***@my-deja.com
2007-11-01 21:36:17 UTC
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Post by Michael O'Connor
On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:28:49 GMT, Agent Smith
Post by Agent Smith
I thought Quentin Tarantino was so smart for giving his
characters clever names in "Reservoir Dogs." It turns out that
he just stole that angle from "The Taking of Pelham 1-2-3." :(
It's worse than that. Reservoir dogs had a heist with some crooks
showing up well armed to steal some diamonds. I'm pretty sure
Quentin Tarantino didn't invent the jewel heist. The plagarizing
bastard!
I don't have a problem with borrowing from films, but when it
becomes you claim to fame many people will think it's a crutch you
use because you can't come up with something fresh and different.
DePalma is another director who forever borrows from classic films;
I don't care for his style and The Untouchables was the only movie
of his I liked. I think Tarantino needs to stretch his talent and
perhaps try something different than making B-type movie plots with
A list actors and washed up 70's B grade actors; maybe try a
comedy, or sci-fi.
They're out of his genere, and I don't think that he has much of a
sense of humor. SF movies weren't in the grindhouse in the
seventies, so Tarantino has no clue what the formula might be.
I can assure you I saw plenty of sci-fi movies in grindhouse theaters
in the '60s, '70s, and '80s.
ROBINSON CRUSOE ON MARS, PLANET OF THE VAMPIRES, FIVE MILLION YEARS TO
EARTH, WESTWORLD, FUTUREWORLD, THE OMEGA MAN, BATTLE BEYOND THE STARS,
ELIMINATORS, etc.
And I'll take Tarantino's derivative-ness over George Lucas's anyday.
Yeah, me too, but Tarantino and Lucas are both a couple of fools who got
too big for thei britches. However, of the movies you listed, four are
not grindhouse films (Five Million Years To Earth, Westworld,
Futureworld and The Omega Man), three are probably not (Robinson Crusoe
On Mars, Planet Of The Vampires and Battle Beyond The Stars), leqvig
only one bona fide b-film in the lot (Eliminators). I think you need to
do a little homework on what precisely constitutes a "grindhouse" film.
?:p~
I DID my homework, pal--in plenty of grindhouses in the '60s and '70s,
where I actually SAW the sci-fi films I cited--at theaters on New
York's 42nd Street and in the Bronx. The first double bill I ever saw
on 42nd Street had a science fiction film on it (the bill was SHAFT
and Roger Corman's IT CONQUERED THE WORLD). OMEGA MAN was on a double
bill with the Corman-produced women-in-prison hit, THE BIG DOLL HOUSE;
WESTWORLD was on a double bill with the kung fu film DEADLY CHINA
DOLL; PLANET OF THE VAMPIRES was on a double bill with ST. VALENTINE'S
DAY MASSACRE; FIVE MILLION YEARS TO EARTH played with THE GREAT WHITE
HOPE, etc. YOU said that sci-fi movies "weren't in the grindhouse in
the seventies" and I am simply correcting you by pointing out that
indeed they were.
Agent Smith
2007-11-08 22:04:23 UTC
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On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:28:49 GMT, Agent Smith
Post by Agent Smith
I thought Quentin Tarantino was so smart for giving his
characters clever names in "Reservoir Dogs." It turns out
that he just stole that angle from "The Taking of Pelham
1-2-3." :(
It's worse than that. Reservoir dogs had a heist with some
crooks showing up well armed to steal some diamonds. I'm
pretty sure Quentin Tarantino didn't invent the jewel heist.
The plagarizing bastard!
I don't have a problem with borrowing from films, but when it
becomes you claim to fame many people will think it's a crutch
you use because you can't come up with something fresh and
different. DePalma is another director who forever borrows from
classic films; I don't care for his style and The Untouchables
was the only movie of his I liked. I think Tarantino needs to
stretch his talent and perhaps try something different than
making B-type movie plots with A list actors and washed up 70's
B grade actors; maybe try a comedy, or sci-fi.
They're out of his genere, and I don't think that he has much of a
sense of humor. SF movies weren't in the grindhouse in the
seventies, so Tarantino has no clue what the formula might be.
I can assure you I saw plenty of sci-fi movies in grindhouse
theaters in the '60s, '70s, and '80s.
ROBINSON CRUSOE ON MARS, PLANET OF THE VAMPIRES, FIVE MILLION YEARS
TO EARTH, WESTWORLD, FUTUREWORLD, THE OMEGA MAN, BATTLE BEYOND THE
STARS, ELIMINATORS, etc.
And I'll take Tarantino's derivative-ness over George Lucas's anyday.
Yeah, me too, but Tarantino and Lucas are both a couple of fools who
got too big for thei britches. However, of the movies you listed,
four are not grindhouse films (Five Million Years To Earth,
Westworld, Futureworld and The Omega Man), three are probably not
(Robinson Crusoe On Mars, Planet Of The Vampires and Battle Beyond
The Stars), leqvig only one bona fide b-film in the lot
(Eliminators). I think you need to do a little homework on what
precisely constitutes a "grindhouse" film. ?:p~
I DID my homework, pal--in plenty of grindhouses in the '60s and '70s,
where I actually SAW the sci-fi films I cited--at theaters on New
York's 42nd Street and in the Bronx. The first double bill I ever saw
on 42nd Street had a science fiction film on it (the bill was SHAFT
and Roger Corman's IT CONQUERED THE WORLD). OMEGA MAN was on a double
bill with the Corman-produced women-in-prison hit, THE BIG DOLL HOUSE;
WESTWORLD was on a double bill with the kung fu film DEADLY CHINA
DOLL; PLANET OF THE VAMPIRES was on a double bill with ST. VALENTINE'S
DAY MASSACRE; FIVE MILLION YEARS TO EARTH played with THE GREAT WHITE
HOPE, etc. YOU said that sci-fi movies "weren't in the grindhouse in
the seventies" and I am simply correcting you by pointing out that
indeed they were.
That place you went to seems to only be half grindhouse. They were
apparently pairing b-movies with real cinema, which I suippose was
probably a good thing. :)
Avoid normal situations.
2008-01-12 01:34:21 UTC
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I don't have a problem with borrowing from films, but when it becomes
you claim to fame many people will think it's a crutch you use because
you can't come up with something fresh and different. DePalma is
another director who forever borrows from classic films; I don't care
for his style and The Untouchables was the only movie of his I liked.
I think Tarantino needs to stretch his talent and perhaps try
something different than making B-type movie plots with A list actors
and washed up 70's B grade actors; maybe try a comedy, or sci-fi.
Martin Scorcese is generally known for his gangster/crime movies like
Tarantino, but Scorcese has also dabbled in just about every genre
including a movie about Jesus, a concert film, a Michael Jackson music
video, a biopic of Howard Hughes, a 19th century historical epic and a
love story set in the 19th century, a musical, comedy, and a feminist
movie that was adapted into a crappy 70's sitcom. I think sci-fi and
western are the only genres Scorcese hasn't worked in, and I would
love to see him take a whack at them sometime.
Comparing Tatantino to Scorsese is like comparing spoiled food to fine
french cuisine. :) Tarantino is a one-note Johnny.
So you never noticed how strongly _Mean Streets_ resembles Fellini's _I
Vitelloni_, or how much _Taxi Driver_ is reminiscent of Bresson's _Diary of
a Country Priest_?

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Tom Sutpen
2008-01-12 13:23:34 UTC
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Post by Agent Smith
Comparing Tatantino to Scorsese is like comparing spoiled food to fine
french cuisine. :) Tarantino is a one-note Johnny.
So you never noticed how strongly _Mean Streets_ resembles Fellini's _I
Vitelloni_, or how much _Taxi Driver_ is reminiscent of Bresson's _Diary of
a Country Priest_?
*****
I heard about this a decade ago; maybe more than that. Frankly, I
don't have a problem with Tarantino stealing chunks out of other
people's movies and incorporating them into his own post-modern stew.
Every film artist worth talking about steals (amorality being the
traditional moral template of cinema). You take your inspiration where
you can get it, and the results have to be judged accordingly. In the
case of 'Reservoir Dogs', Tarantino did more with Ringo Lam's
movie . . . and did it far more memorably . . . than Ringo Lam did.
That's all that counts.

And besides, how can you brandish Scorsese with a straight face when
he did his own, somewhat lumbering refurbishment of a Hong Kong
actioner just three years ago?

Tom Sutpen
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2008-01-12 20:14:14 UTC
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Led Zeppelin, T S Eliot and Quentin Tarantino.
gggg gggg
2021-07-22 03:47:35 UTC
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I thought Quentin Tarantino was so smart for giving his characters clever
names in "Reservoir Dogs." It turns out that he just stole that angle from
"The Taking of Pelham 1-2-3." :(
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